3 Years Of TS-D/JA Productions

I’m really surprised I’ve stuck with it for 3 years, but I’m sure glad I have.
Okay now, this year I’m really flying without a net, none of this shit is planned.
So strap in (or strap on) cause this might take a while.

But before we get into everything else, let’s go back to where it all started on May 27th 2013 with Bitch Slappin’ The Wind: https://youtu.be/OBrVxZaKcT4

Also, give a look at years 2nd Anniversary post: https://tsdjaproductions.wordpress.com/2015/05/27/two-years-of-ts-dja-productions/

Now, let’s get to the heart of the matter.
Boil it all down and TS-D/JA Productions, in all of it’s many forms, is really just the continuing progress of 1 dude who’s scared shitless of the real world, who never wanted to grow up and be a big people, who always just wanted to make stupid voices because it made himself laugh, who’s awkward around people because he doesn’t trust them, who just doesn’t want to face reality.
A dude that’s worried that some day he is going to die alone and there’s not going to be anybody on the planet to remember him because he was so closed off, so apart, so detached from the world.
A dude that would desperately love to be remembered for one of the best reasons imaginable, at least in his mind…to be remembered because he entertained you.

3 years after starting on this journey, I’m not sure if I’ve even begun accomplishing that feat…but it’s definitely not for lack of trying.
This last year I, with the help of so many many talented people, have been far more prolific than in either of the 2 years before, maybe even more so than those 1st 2 years combined.
Once again, on a personal level, this past year hasn’t really been the greatest, but I have creatively thrived in spite of that.
Probably as a way to try and escape the craziness.
But lets just keep to the public shit.

Sadly, in the past year, there have been fewer posts on my channel and on this site.
Hell, the Typecast has basically become a thing of the past as it’s becoming harder and harder to get folks to do them and cover new ground.
The videos have become rarer and rarer on the channel because it’s getting harder to come up with new material, whether it’s based on known properties or just making shit up.
But there is a good excuse for that!

If you follow either of my twitter accounts (@TheScoobyDoom & @TSDJAProduction, if you didn’t know) or if you’ve been paying attention to this site you’ve seen me talking about The Camping Trip.
I think I started writing it the day before or the day after Christmas and it took me about a month to write my half of the story.
After a few persisting issues with my old Rock Band mic that I’ve used since I made Dumbass Poets Society, I was able to get a new mic from @SteBoost (who has actually, and probably without even realizing it, been a really big hero to TS-D/JA Productions this year) in February and it took me about a month to record all of it in 8 voices or so and send it to my partner in crime, the dude that’s basically become the Scotty Mo to my Kev Smith in the last 12 months, the good sir @Fitzman73.

Over the last 2 months Fitz has edited, and I’ve heard, over a half hour of The Camping Trip.
And let me tell you folks, this will be the best sounding anything to have the TS-D/JA Productions name on it, the dude is fucking CRUSHING it!
I wish to hell I could give you the release date here, but there is still a lot of work to be done.
But I can give you a little hope on that front, I’m 75% sure it will be out before the end of July.
There could still be a bump in the road that causes a delay, but right now it’s looking good.

Until then, enjoy this trailer I just posted not too long ago: https://youtu.be/897tXlY3etI

Cool and creepy, right?

Now, what’s the other thing that’s kinda made me slack off on everything else?
Again, if you’ve paid attention to my 2 twitter accounts, I’ve launched a 3rd twitter account!
Wait…that’s not the thing, it’s what that twitter account is for that’s worth celebrating!
If you read the 2nd Anniversary post that I linked to above you know I was big time dreaming of hopefully launching a podcast before this years Anniversary.
Well guess what!
After @Fitzman73 and I went and saw Episode VII back in December (right after I started writing my half of The Camping Trip) we recorded a pod on the way back to my house (which you can read more about and find out how to listen to here: https://tsdjaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/01/13/just-jump-to-the-end-episode-20-a-couple-of-jakku-jackoffs/) and it was fuckin’ fun, man.
First time I met the dude and we had an awesome time, at the very least from my perspective, which just added fuel to the fire of folks begging us (based on all of our Typecasts) to do a pod of our own.
Well, on April 16th @NerdBlitzPod set sail into the harsh waters of Podcastdom.

Fitz (again, like a champ) does ALL of the editing, so why has my shit been so sporadic?
Well, those intros and outros don’t write and record themselves.
That’s been my thing since The Nerd Blitz With Doom & Fitz launched, I write and record all of the intros and outros (Fitz does lines as needed) you hear on the pod (which you should all go listen to at NerdBlitz.com) and I’ve been making and editing videos for the Nerd Blitz YouTube channel (which you can find HERE), where very soon you will see the podcast episodes popping up as soon as I can make them and get them to Fitz to post.

So yeah, you are getting fewer posts, but you are getting far more content.
We’ve been recording weekly and banking episodes, but bi-weekly, for the foreseeable future, you will be getting at the very least 1 hour of new content from your favorite giant dog man Doom and his hockey helmeted friend Fitz in the form of The Nerd Blitz (which you should read more about here: https://tsdjaproductions.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/the-nerd-blitz-with-doom-and-fitz/), and we have a few things planned that we hope you folks will dig to give you more content than just the regular bi-weekly show, plus a few things we hope some of you will want to help us with to help us grow our listenership.

Something else that was pretty fuckin’ awesome in the last year was that, thanks to the rocker and roller that is @TheJSarge, my voice can be heard on one of my favorite podcasts!
At the end of the Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave (a podcast which has been talked about many times around these parts) Halloween special last year, the creepy little voice that says the title is none other than me!
It’s nothing huge, but it’s pretty damn cool for me.
You can listen to it at this link: http://www.smodcast.com/smodcast/episodes/emperor-flanagan
And here’s my very first reaction to it: https://twitter.com/TheScoobyDoom/status/662743366023716864?s=09
I’d talked to Sarge before and sent him some takes of me saying Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave that I’d recorded on my old phone with the shitty built in mic.
Well, I offered to redo them for him with my slightly better set-up (the old Rock Band mic and such) and he said sure.
He said he’d try to use them if he could, and I honestly didn’t really see when he’d have the opportunity to use them, but hey, at least I tried!
Then the dude came through with this!
He really is a cool motherfucker.

Now, lets get into the numbers game, which is what I obsess over more than anything else. Haha
Total views for everything I’ve done in these last 3 years are as follows…
The Site: 4919
The main YouTube Channel has: 8697
The Pod Youtube Channel has: 120
And the Pod has: 237
Pretty fuckin’ cool, right?
All combined, that’s 13,973 views.

Now, lets talk about total combined hours of content in these 3 years.
Between both YT Channels (not including The Camping Trip trailer, that goes on year 4’s record) I, with crazy amounts of help, have created and produced a total of 2 hours 13 minutes and 36 seconds of video content.
Between the 2 bonus episodes posted on the JJ2End Feed, Episode 20 of Just Jump To The End, and the 1st 3 Episodes of The Nerd Blitz With Doom & Fitz, Fitz and I have produced 5 hours 46 minutes and 26 seconds of glorious podcast content.
All that comes together for a grand total of 7:59:02 by my mathin’.
Just 58 seconds short of 8 full hours in 3 years.
That’s over 4 times the 1:43:00 I had last year.

Now let’s get into the thank yous for the last year.
For the videos, I want to send a huge heartfelt thank you to the following people: @ShariSayz, @_13Chris, @FromTheMonkey, @Woody_TESDFan & @JoePeel of @ShootheMoonBand, @AmandaMDanger, @Fitzman73, @GingerNacre, @NeilGat, @Forgeticus, @SteBoost, @KatLong31, @LookingForEight, @Gabryelledam, & @Joinedtofollow.

For their help with the site, deepest thanks go too @Fitzman73, @Joinedtofollow, @ScoobySnaxCom, @MemeEmSteveDave, @SpiderScooby, @CheeryAnt, @SteBoost, @ShariSayz, @KatLong31, and a special thanks to @SMorgan21 for offering to doba Typecast (I still wanna give it a whirl, Sandy).

To start wrapping up, and to reiterate what I said last year, of you’ve been here since the beginning, THANK YOU!
If you just found something I made yesterday, THANK YOU!
If you read, watch, subscribe, or listen to anything or everything I have made, THANK YOU!
And if you have ever helped, left a comment, or engaged in conversation based on any of it,
It really does mean the world to me and I THANK YOU!
You’ve helped me through those small simple actions more than you could ever realize.
And a Huge Thank You goes to @SpiderScooby for encouraging me to get on the twitter in the first place, without that push, none of this exists.
Thanks for that and so much more, brother.

One more time, here are all of the links to all of the ways you can consume and support TS-D/JA Productions.
Pod: NerdBlitz.com
Pod YT: Nerd Blitz on YT
Pod Twitter: @NerdBlitzPod
My YT: Youtube.com/ThatScoobyDoom
My Scooby Writings: ScoobyFan.Net/Author/Scooby-Doom/
My Twitter: @TheScoobyDoom
TS-D/JA Productions Merch: CafePress.com/JustJumpToTheEnd/12361893
TS-D/JA Productions Twitter: @TSDJAProduction


Share this post on Twitter with the hashtags #TSDJAProductions #TheCampingTrip and/or #NerdBlitz.

And finally, quite often the world can be an incredibly shitty place.
Do EVERYTHING in your power to combat that and spread a little bit of good and kindness in any way you can.
Even small acts can help far more than you realize.
Thank you so much for your support, I hope to see you back here again next year.


The Nerd Blitz With Doom & Fitz

You wanted it, you got it!
After 10 Typecasts and much encouragement from the readers of said Typecasts, FINALLY Lord @Fitzman73 and I have taken the plunge.

I believe it was March 22nd, at around 10 AM Central time, the good Sir Fitz and I got off our dicks, had a phone call, talked about some nerdy shit, and recorded it for over 2 hours.
2 hours that would be released as our 1st 2 Episodes.
I don’t know about Fitzy, but I know I was nervous as a motherfucker to finally be doing a recording session for my very own podcast.

We met up and I gave him a flashdrive that had my half of the recordings in sweet, clear, near High Definition MP3 format, thanks to the kindness of @SteBoost providing me with a sweet ass mic and Audacity.
Without Sir Ste, I can promise you this podcast wouldn’t sound NEARLY as good as it does.


So Fitz and I sat on the Eps for a few weeks until I got antsy, we have a few projects in the works and I was wanting to release something so I could get to promoting it, so I asked him to take a break from the arduous task of editing and assembling The Camping Trip (our upcoming original audio drama) and edit Episode 1 of The Nerd Blitz With Doom & Fitz.

While he was editing, I came up with a hair brained scheme to do a little cross promotion of The Nerd Blitz and The Camping Trip.
Thanks to @MaidforMischief making the amazing fuckin’ poster for The Camping Trip that I’d just tweeted (which you can see here: https://twitter.com/TSDJAProduction/status/717004475358162946), I figured I could get more eyes on it and raise awareness for our still unnamed pod (at least as far as announcing it went) by promising folks that we’d announce the pod title as soon as the original tweet with the poster got 30 RTs.
Well…as we got closer to releasing the first episode and the tweet was struggling to get 30 I was losing hope and lowered the number to 25…which it got soon after on April 14th 2016.

On April 16th 2016, The Nerd Blitz With Doom & Fitz launched!

And speaking of nervous, you can hear it in our 1st Episode right here: http://nerdblitz.libsyn.com/episode-001-sticky-arms
Here’s a funny little story to prove just how nervous I was: About 5 minutes in, Fitz is telling a story about being at a birthday party for his kid at a bowling alley.
He says he snuck off to the Arcade to take a breather when one of the kids (not 1 of his) runs up and grabs one of the balls off the pool table.
You can tell I was nervous because I started to make a joke about the kid running up and grabbing an old dudes balls.
But if you listen REALLY close, you can hear me do something I NEVER DO.
I slammed on the brakes midstream and self-edited.
You can hear me stutter a bit and kinda roll over it awkwardly chuckling to myself, mostly because I knew where I was heading with it.
I mentioned this on twitter after the episode went up and Fitz said he noticed in the moment and thought it weird that I pussed out.

So here is my vow, starting with Episode 3 (Episode 2 is already recorded), I promise not to self-edit, to make the “little kid grabbed an old man’s balls” jokes.
In my videos and on this site, I say and do flat out retarded shit simply because it makes ME laugh.
If The Nerd Blitz is going to work, I have to do the same on the pod, I have to be true to myself and my deranged sense of humor.

Now, for even more thank yous!
Back on January 31st of this year, I asked the man, the myth, the legend that is your friendly neighborhood Rockstar @TheJSarge if he could do an intro song for us.
On February 2nd the dude came through in a big bad way.
If nothing else, we have an amazing song to start off the show with.
So, go thank this fuckin’ amazing musician by supporting his work at these links: http://RemedialM-Theory.Bandcamp.com
And http://IrvingsBasement.Bandcamp.com

Then, the day after we launched, somebody else came through for us in a big way.
If you read this site regularly, you should all know @ShariSayz well.
After 2 artists fell through for various reasons, and knowing Shari had great design skills from her work on Interview With A Declachaun: Creaky Strikes Back, Fitz and I asked her if she could take a stab at it for us.
We asked her if she could do it on the 15th, we launched episode 1 on the 16th, I got an email with the logo above & the twitter header below on the 17th.
Just like J Sarge with the theme, she came through for us in 2 damn days!
It’s just fuckin’ amazing the work they both did in such a short amount of time.
So go thank her by checking out her Youtube channel: http://youtube.com/user/ShariArchinoff


Now, for all the ways you can get and interact with the show.

First and foremost, listen to every episode by going to our site: http://NerdBlitz.com

Or you can listen, subscribe, rate, and review us on ITunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-nerd-blitz-w-doom-and-fitz/id1106955481

Then you can subscribe to our YouTube Channel, where I hope we’ll be able post the episodes eventually plus all kinds of new content: https://m.youtube.com/#/channel/UCL8isNQGcFAqMO1668WoROw

Then you can follow the pod on Twitter: @NerdBlitzPod

That’s all of our links for now, hopefully we’ll have more for you to check out soon.

If you listen to the pod and you like it, please don’t hesitate to tell us.
If you have any questions or comments, send them our way.

And finally, the world is a hard place.
It’s full of assholes that want to tear you down.
To combat that, go out in the world and try to do your best to put a little bit more positivity in it, as hard as that can be.

Thanks for reading and now listening.
See ya next time.

How It Happened: Channel Surfing Again

Hey gang!
Time to break down Channel Surfing Again, so settle in as I get to explaining this little late night stoner brain dropping of mine.


Watch the video and afterwards I’m slappin’ it out on the table, lets have some fun!


Pretty fuckin’ goofy, right?
And that’s why I bloody love it.


The Opening: The lovely @ShariSayz came back to play my wifey!
Just like the first 1, I needed something to give me a reason to have the TV going, and what better reason could there be than having to take a shit…and who doesn’t want a TV in the shithouse???
Nobody, that’s who!
So dude goes to take a boom boom and his lady says no TV?
That shant stand!


Senate Ad: As those of you that listen to Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave (and if you’re reading this, there’s a 80% (or higher) chance you are a TESD listener) know, there was a joke about long time TESD listener, and frequent TS-D/JA Productions collaborator, @Fitzman73 being “a Senator or something”.
Well, as I was getting to know Lord Fitz better, I figured why not fuck around with that image/joke a wee bit?
So I wrote the ass end of a goofy little ad that made a little reference to an episode of Fitz’s podcast Just Jump To The End (he may have even suggested I make the reference, I can’t remember), I designed his “campaign logo” using the Superman colors, he recorded his lines, and I slapped it all together.
My favorite part of this segment is the selfimportant voice I chose, it drips with the fake bullshit nature of all political ads.
And the quick little “Paid for by the ants” makes me chuckle too.


Knife Showcase: We’ve all seen this video, the dude slinging knives on the tube cuts his hand or what ever the hell and he tries to keep his cool.
That type of shit is a late night TV staple, so I had to make reference to it at some point. Haha


Channel 37 News: This was another instance of universe building.
Bringing back the news station from the first Channel Surfing, but this time making reference to one of my other videos Dumbass Poets Society 2: Fallout.
The anchor throws to the Family Guy reporter doing an update on the events in that video.
I also changed the slogan of Channel 37 for 2 reasons.
1. I didn’t want folks to just fall asleep because they already saw that picture in the first one.
2. I’ve noticed that the local news would run shit, especially entertainment news, that was 1-4 days old and act like they were breaking it.
And if you bring the internet into the equation, the lag time is even longer.
It’s baffling.


Jerry Springer-Esque: The picture was taken at the former bar across the street from my house, to simulate the back alley, big city feel of the Jerry Springer set.
Again, trash TV like this is a late night staple.
How could I skip it?
@ShariSayz gave me an adorably sweet delivery of a pretty serious line.
She definitely made it better than I expected, especially on that 2nd lines.
I get the feeling her character is a sweet, innocent, lovely young girl that just found out she’d been cheated on.
She’s probably not a foul mouthed lady, so she’s saying her first curse words too.


Craig Ferguson: For years, every night at midnight, I would switch the channel from the Charlie Rose show on PBS to CBS to watch The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson.
Seriously, years.
And if I missed an episode I would feel bad.
THAT is how much I loved Craig’s run on Late Late.
So it was around then, or before, that Craig announced he was leaving the show…and it was pretty heartbreaking.
For years, Craig was there through all the hard times, we were there with him through quite a few of his hard times.
Making weird, goofy, off color jokes, unlike anybody else, with the possible exception of Conan O’Brien.
Making you laugh, cry, think, and wonder.
To this day, I maintain that Craig is one of the greatest interviewers to ever have his own show, he’s up there with Charlie Rose.
So as a way to say thank you for all the laughs and entertainment Craig has provided me with over the years, I wanted to pay tribute to him in this.
The image is a variation on his gay, robot, skeleton, side-kick named Geoff (voiced by Josh Robert Thompson).
The vocals are my spin on one of Craig’s long time bits, Italian Bill Clinton.
James Corden does a great job hosting Late Late, he’s made it his own, but I’ll always miss what Craig did.


Nature Show: Inspired by Steve Irwin and his always entertaining work, an over excited nature presenter describing another one of his astounding adventures.
Not much depth to it beyond that. Haha
The picture was taken in my backyard, which looks like a jungle in summer time.
Trees, flowers, vegetables, bushes, if you shoot it right, you could make a jungle movie/nature doc in that sumbitch.


Dating Show: This here was another funny little bit of business.
This is a segment, much like another coming up shortly, that WILL NEVER HAPPEN, but it would be so damn awesome if it did.
You know they would never let a gay dude slip through as a potential date for a straight woman…why would they?
It would just be wasting her time and taking away a potential date for her.
They would also never let a dude that LITERALLY just threatened to kill the contestant, and you’d think nobody is stupid enough to scream that intention infront of a rolling camera.
Neither one of them makes any fuckin’ sense whatsoever…but think of how hilarious/interesting that would be!
It would be more interesting than the top 10 highest rated TV shows combined!
So much dysfunction, it would be riveting.
But alas, it only exists here, in the twisted world of TS-D/JA Productions.
And again, @ShariSayz sold the fuck out of it, and made it better.
A true elevator of the material.


Hal’s Qwik Check Commercial: Just like in the first video, this is a reference to a series of videos that still has not happened, Why Us.
Mr. Mike A.K.A. @FromTheMonkey did me a solid and voiced Hal.
There’s not much meat to this segment either, but hopefully if I dust off Why Us, write an ending, and get these damn things out there it will make that series even deeper because of the long history I’ve built for the character/universe.


Zombie Movie: The picture is of my hand, run through Microsoft Paint.
I’d somehow gotten a cut on my wrist, so I put two little droplets of blood coming from it.
I colored my finger nails black, added some cracks.
Painted some veins on my arm and hand, threw some color spectrum effect on it that made it all seem to glow, and it was ready.
I have ALWAYS been a HUGE fan of Zombies, Zombie movies, and Zombie TV shows, I can’t explain why.
There’s just something fucked up about somebody gettin’ dead…then standing up and walking/running after some poor dunch, and chewing their goddamn guts out.
Some have said the best Zombie stories mirror our political or social climate, but I say that’s dogshit.
Just give me rotting corpses chasing after some poor schlub that can make me believe it’s real and I’m happy.
I don’t need overtones of some other nonsense.
I would kill to make a Zombie movie of my own, but for now this segment is as close as I’ll get…or is it?


Channel 69 News: This is the other segment that will never happen.
For years, I have watched the news and some dude gets hit by a car, he slip into a coma, and you have a parade of people saying what a good soul he is.
He feeds birds, he kisses babies, he buys girl scout cookies, he helps old ladies cross the street, the motherfucker is 1 miracle away from bona fide sainthood…I call BULLSHIT!!!
I would pray to Jebus and Santa’s dyslexic twin that just 1 goddamn time when somebody would ram their car into a school for blind, deaf, retarded, 1 legged bunnys, and launch through the windshield, skid across the ground (turning their face into ground hamburger meat on the pavement), and you would have just 1 dude in the parade of dimwitted interviewees say “ya know, fuck that guy. For 2 years, 2 FUCKING YEARS, this cocksucker has owed me $246…2 YEARS!!!
He won the lottery…TWICE…he never gave me a cent.
Fuck him, I kind hope the injuries…LEAVE THE CAMERA ON ME, DON’T YOU CUT TO THE STUDIO…I kind hope the injuries are so severe that they kill him.
I mean, it’s not like I’m gonna see the money anyway, right?” because as it is, it’s just the same fucking shit…over…and over…and over…and over…AND OVER…AND OVER…AND OVER…AND FUCKING OVER AGAIN!!!
Just different people saying the same shit…FOR YEARS!!!
It’s further proof that The News is just bullshit, paint by numbers, soundbite collection entertainment.
You may think this is a big joke, but I swear to fuck it drives me batshit crazy.
Fucker dies, bunch of fuckers repeat the same lines.
It feels scripted, directed, forced.
This segment is me spitting water in the face of TV News and saying fuck you.
Also, the Channel 69 logo is pussy pink and the numbers looks like boobies! Teehee!


Music: Because I did it in the first, I had to do it again.
I called on @Woody_TESDFan and his band Shoot The Moon to provide me with a song, and they gave me an early version of their song I Want What You Got off of their upcoming 2nd album.
I really can’t say it enough, or express just how appreciative I am to Woody and the fellas for allowing me to to play with one of their songs, especially a unfinished song.
I look at this way, through a movie prism, I was the dude that was given the exclusive teaser trailer for their next movie.
It’s not finished, but it gives you a taste, gets you excited for it.
Woody also provided the photo.
All in all, it’s good shit!
Thanks guys!


TV College: This is another staple of crappy TV.
They find some loud motherfucker with an accent or affectation, have them move around a lot, and edit it like some sort of shitty vlog.
It’s like these things are aimed at fuckin’ 5 year olds…or somebody else with a short attention span.
The image is sloppy as hell because that’s how I imagine these TV Colleges would look, basically 1 step above a fuckin’ outhouse.
I know they aren’t, but I like to think they are.


Senatorial Debate: My memory is a bit murky on this one, but I think when I asked Fitz to do this I didn’t actually give him the full script for this scene.
I seem to recall wanting him to experience it with the audience.
I’m pretty sure all I told him was that he would be in a debate and I needed him to start his reply with a bit of an awkward laugh.
I love the idea of 1 politician having a complete and utter mental break down and the other guy has to soldier on.
Then I threw in a little bit of Nixon/Admiral Ackbar as the moderator, and the ever so clever Master Debaters tag, you have the magic of this segment!


Boner Pill Commercial: Again, a late night staple. Haha
I specifically made this sorta spin out of what @Fitzman73 said in the last segment cause it makes me giggle.
“What my opponent doesn’t seem to understand is that *shkurrr* your dick don’t get hard?” is just fuckin’ funny, man.
And read that disclaimer line under the slogan, that’s funny as hell too.

Closing Segment: My youtube wifey @ShariSayz busts the damn door down and starts breakin’ my balls when I’m tryin’ ta pinch a poo off.
The same picture as the opening segment makes it’s triumphant return to close us out.
I’m proud of the details in this picture, though I’m still not happy with how the crapper just floats there.
I mean, there are turd bowls that don’t have pedestals, but I’m not that great of an artist and I wanted to do it myself.
But look at the remote and the shower door, ain’t it cool?
I done did it all on me onesie!
…no head pat like a puppy what piddled on the pad…?
Okay, moving on!

There’s also a reprisal of the Zombie segment and the song from @ShootheMoonBand.


And that’s it for this go round, gang.
Please go thank all of the cool fucks what helped make this video what it was.
@ShariSayz, @Fitzman73, @FromTheMonkey, & @Woody_TESDFan/@ShootheMoonBand have been great helps in many many projects.

And finally, as I say every damn time, the world is a rough fuckin’ place.
It is your duty to do anything in your power to change that.
The world needs less dickheads in it, and a kind word to somebody on a bad day can help more than you’d realize.

Thanks for reading, I’ll see ya next time.

Typecast #18: Bat Kat Begins

Welcome to the 1st Typecast of 2016, and damn it’s a good one!

Our guest here in my super secret evil hideout in the mountains is a great lady what has helped me in the past and been a pretty good friend.
If you follow her on the tweeters, you know she’s damn smart, wicked funny, easy on the eyes, and a GREAT creative soul.
This month in the hot seat, it’s the 1 and only Bat Kat, @KatLong31.

This conversation appears just as it was had, all spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and any other flaws of any kind intact to maintain the honesty of the whole thang.

Our name’s will appear in red, her’s will link to her twitter, mine will link to my Youtube channel.

Without further ado, take it away me!


ThatScoobyDoom: Okay, with a nickname like Bat Kat, you must be a HUGE Superman fan, so what are your first memories of big blue?

@KatLong31: That made me laugh a lot!

Actually as a really little girl my cousin love superman and I lived batman.
So we played supes and Bat a lot, we were both so bummed that the under Roos were only for boys we wanted them so much!
I did love the Batman series a lot, watched it often but I loved the Christooher Reeve superman movies too.

I know it’s running joke/ rivalry that I’m not a Supes fan but I do like him.
Like Supes LOVE that Bat!

ThatScoobyDoom: So Adam West was your first Batman?

@KatLong31: Yes as long as I can remember he was/ is my Batman!
I had to have been very small(under 3) when I first watched the Show.

ThatScoobyDoom: Did you ever go through that period that most of the fans of that show went through where they kinda hated it because it wasn’t cool to like it?

@KatLong31: That whole cast of characters was brilliant!
I love them all!
I mean Julie Newmar!
Who is more stunning then her?
And Yvonne Criag will always be my hero!

No, in fact I was/ still am just naturally uncool and like what I like.
And that show will always be one of the best shows in my book.
And yes I did get made fun of for liking it but I never cared about that.
I am used to people not liking what I like.
Even in college I had a chick tell me I wore batman shirts to much that I was an adult now and should act like it.
I laughed at her in a nice way and said he’s my one true love I have to support him 😉

ThatScoobyDoom: Very much like myself in that respect, cause I was getting shredded in 5th grade for my undying Scooby love.

Did you ever get into any of the comics as a kid?

@KatLong31: I was bullied all the time at that age about a million things so why not just let myself like what I like?

No not as a kid.
I was late teens before I came around and even then it wasn’t until I got older that I read then regularly.

ThatScoobyDoom: Totally understand and agree, lady.

Do you remember what your first non 66 Bat story was?

@KatLong31: Yeah early 90’s Knightfall!
I got into it cuz of a guy, who of course friend zoned me.
But I loved that story and crossover.

So you remember your first comic book?

What are your top 3?

ThatScoobyDoom: What a dumbass he was. Haha

Oh shit, no!
I don’t remember my my first comic or even my first bat comic.
My first would have to be an Archie comic or something.
I guess my first Bat comic would probably be one of the B:TAS Tie-In’s, Batman Adventures or whatever it was.

Do you mean top 3 Bat stories or just top 3 in general?

@KatLong31: No not at all I have been friend zoned plenty!

I meant any, not Batman or Batman but just in general

What do you like?

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s criminal.

Well, my 4 favorite Bat centric stories are Mad Love, The Killing Joke, No Man’s Land, and The Long Halloween.
Non Bat, that’s a lot harder for me to nail down.
I know it’s cool to hate it, but I loved Marvel’s Civil War.
I loved the Spidey Tie-In’s to that because I loved the Iron Spidey suit.
I really dug the Death and Return of Superman, I consider that all 1 story.
Can’t think of many other comic stories I’ve really loved.

Gimme some of your favorites beyond Knightfall (which I never got around to getting, sadly).

@KatLong31: Hahaha no not really.
Any or batman?

ThatScoobyDoom: Both.
Favorite Bat and non Bat stories.

@KatLong31: Bat is hard to narrow!
But I like tank girl and XMen it’s tough to narrow it down in general I guess 🙂

ThatScoobyDoom: I hear ya.

So, 89 comes rolling around, you had to have gotten swept up in the Batmania that the rest of the world right?

@KatLong31: I did!
But to be honest I was young at the trailers kind is bugged me, I was shocked that they thought they could touch my beloved Adam West and gang.
However I was not even seated all the way at the theatre and was in love!
That movie only served to stoke my bat flame and seal what has turned out to be a life long adoration for That character!
I was so in awe and thrilled with Keaton and could not see it enough!

ThatScoobyDoom: Do you remember how many times you saw it in the theater?

@KatLong31: Only 2 times I wanted to see it over and over!

ThatScoobyDoom: How about returns?
Did that tickle your fancy any?

@KatLong31: It sure did!
With one exception I have completely enjoyed every Batman film!

ThatScoobyDoom: Really?
I have big problems with the majority of them. Haha

What’s the exception?

@KatLong31: I hate saying the exception I often find people who disagree

But aside from one I am a fan of all the flicks

ThatScoobyDoom: Come on, spill!
If you say the one I dislike most, we may have to make this legal.

@KatLong31: Ok Batman forever, it sure tried to bring the comic genre to life but the execution didn’t work for me.
And Val Kilmer was plain awful!!
Just I can’t say it clear enough he was just abhorrent!
It was tragic!!

ThatScoobyDoom: Huh, that’s interesting.
You are right, most do disagree.

In my opinion, we’ve only gotten 2 great Batman movies, the rest are varying levels of shit.
I would put Batman & Robin lower than Forever, but that’s just me.
I think it was B&R that started my life long dislike of Clooney.

@KatLong31: What two are great in Dooms mind?

ThatScoobyDoom: Batman 89 and Batman Begins.
I truly think Batman Begins would be 100% if Bale hadn’t used that stupid “aruh ruh ruh” voice for Batman, cause that shit is laughable.
But the rest is nerdgasmicly good.

@KatLong31: Oh nice those are my two favs too!
Only I have had a crush on Bale since newsies so when he was cast as batman I went Biserk and I doubt he could have done anything to make me dislike his performance.

ThatScoobyDoom: I wanna stick with the bat chat kat, but you gave me a brilliant opening so we’ll get back to the Dark Knight.

Youse big on that thar theater stuff ain’t cha?

@KatLong31: Well I did get my BA in it, and yes it is my passion.
I can’t really act but something about being a part of live theatre is so enchanting it soothes my soul.
Yep that’s dramatic but it is so difficult to describe the joy of live theatre

ThatScoobyDoom: No, you’re not gonna pull that “can’t act” shit around here, lady.
We have proof that you can indeed act.

When did you first get interested in that type of stuff, theater and what not?

@KatLong31: Do you want the long or short answer?

pS thank you!
You know how I feel about your opinion on my acting.

The short answer is always I guess I was always  a ham as my dad puts it and when I was offered a scholarship to change majors from Speech path to theatre it seems like a no brainier

ThatScoobyDoom: Hey, I’ve said it many many times privately, I’ll glad y say it publicly.
You made Love In War what it was, you made it all work.
Was a damn good job.

And the long answer?

@KatLong31: Well publicly thank you!
I was honored you let me work with you!
And it was a fun experience for me!
You wrote a great script and we both know I sent you many many takes so you were very patient.

As I said before I was always a ham.
I was expressive and often flamboyant.
I was a speech pathology major.
And had to take a theatres class as a requirement.
The professor of that class saw something in me, she offered me a scholarship to change majors she put me onstage and then mostly insisted I be her stage manager or assistant director.
I felt at home in these capacities.
I thrived in them, dare I admit I was decent at them.
I can direct and stage manage very well!
Acting is where I find myself second guessing my abilities, but Stage managing and directing, those I know i can do! And do them very well.

ThatScoobyDoom: What exactly is Speech Pathology?

I don’t know jack shit about theater, so how does Stage Directing differ from Film/TV/Voice Directing?

@KatLong31: A speech therapist.

I can’t compare and contrast the two.
But I think one big difference is for a live event you have to block out the moves conscience of the audience in film and TV the can cut away and zoom in so the movements and vocal quality have to be big it is a fine line too, I know live actors often have to pull back when they crossover to film.
And with live theatre you get one shot!
No redo you have to nail it all, and if you don’t you can’t let the mistakes shake you.
I Stage Managed, a show where one actor missed his entrance, so the guy onstage had to adlib for 4 mins ps it was   Merchant of Venice so making up Shakespeare could not have been easy.
Anyway basically you can’t ever mess up and when you do you have to make it look like it was intended to be that way.

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, so like, helping people with accents or lisps and shit?

Ah, so it sounds like it’s more detail oriented?
Maybe a bit more important to hit marks and what not than in a movie?

Did you ever deal with any stage fright or anything?

@KatLong31: Yeah speech and eating issues, there are a lot of aspects to it.

Yes there is no room for error and when you have one make it look good.
One aspect of stage managing is when the show adds the technical aspects to the acting the stage manager makes every light, sound, prop que call.
I had a flawless record my entire college career until my last show I was late calling a blackout!
Ugh that late call will always haunt me!
*ironically the show was titled “All in the Timing”

Or with my actors?

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s cool.

That sounds like a lot of work, but I’m sure when it goes right it’s worth it.
Ooooo, ouch. Haha.


@KatLong31: In my world there is nothing like it!

Oh yes!!!
All the time!
Only before the show though.
The second I step onstage I block out the audience and only focus on the moment I wish I could somehow attain that focus preshow but I can’t and when I’m nervous I talk a lot so it worked best if I shared a dressing room with my bestie Trina, if she wasn’t onstage with me she was my dresser if possible she knew how to chat distract me and keep me from hyperventilating or puking.
I never have issues until we are in front of an audience, so I really spent the week before opening honing in on an empty theatre and that helps.

ThatScoobyDoom: There was this one time in school where I had to read this thing infront of the entire school, all 9 grades, and I almost fuckin’ died.
I was holding the paper and I could not control my arm at all, I was just shaking like it was -10° and I was butt ass naked.
It was fuckin’ horrifying.
I have never performed infront of people after that.
Just knew that it was NOT for me. Haha

What was the rush like after you complete a show?

@KatLong31: Here is an odd fact, I can’t perform or give a speech as me.
I can but I shake and get so ill, it’s awful, but I can focus on my character and that is what works for me.
I know that sounds really cheesy but owell.

It is euphoric and everyone involved has that feeling!
So that backstage energy is electric!
I could go on and on but it’s just the best experience.
And it’s made even better by the fact that the cast and crew naturally become so close in the process and you all feed off each other’s energy.

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m actually sort of similar!
Like, the sound of my natural voice is like nails on a chalkboard, I can’t listen to myself at all because it makes my skin crawl.
But if I throw on a voice, I can listen to that shit all day long.
Even though I can hear myself in every voice, it’s different enough that it doesn’t bother me at all.

That’s cool.

Okay lets get back to the Bat, if you don’t mind.

@KatLong31: It’s liberating I think to temporally shed your own skin.

This is your rodeo DoomADoom whatever you say.

ThatScoobyDoom: That is very true.
Nice to embody somebody you’ll never be.

Okay, so we talked about the movies, lets talk just a bit about my absolute favorite version of the Character.
Batman: The Animated Series.
Where do you stand on that?

@KatLong31: Ugh I’m embarrassed to say I have not seen all of them. What I have seen I liked, it is one of those things I intend to find and watch in its entirety someday.

ThatScoobyDoom: *clutches chest*

@KatLong31: I know I know!
It’s an embarrassing admission.
I wish I was a good liar, I would have loved to coyly say something brilliant that eluded to me enjoying it while I rarely had seen it but alas I’m no good at lying.
*forgive this shortcoming.

ThatScoobyDoom: Okay okay…
*wipes tear from eye*
…how about the animated movies?
You ever get into any of those?

@KatLong31: But if you will indulge me, what do you enjoy about the animated series?

ThatScoobyDoom: The animation, even 25 years later, still holds up.
So fluid, smooth, beautiful.
There is a Clayface episode where they show him transitioning that is a stunning piece of animation.

The voice work is OUTSTANDING!
Just unbelievably remarkable how well they nailed the characters.
Batman, Joker, Two-Face, Gordon, when I think of these characters I think of these versions.
Kevin Conroy was, is, and forever will be the 1 true Bat for me.
Nobody will ever touch what Mark Hamill did as the Joker.
My Joker is just a copy and paste of what Mark did simply because I can not think of anyway to improve on the perfection that he created.

And then there’s Paul Dini and Bruce Timm’s ultimate creation from that series, the lovely Harley Quinn.

@KatLong31: Ugh I need to buy this series!
I do like Arleen Sorkins’ Harley when I read Harley I hear her voice.

ThatScoobyDoom: I love Tara Strong, she has voiced so many great characters I love, but her Harley doesn’t hold a candle to Arleen.
If nothing else, that series is legendary for Harley alone.

@KatLong31: Yeah she is great I think I really enjoy Arleen.

ThatScoobyDoom: So the recent animated movies, have you caught any of those?

@KatLong31: I have seen some but not all of them those have not really caught my interest, any ones that you would recommend?

I think the disconnect on the animated things was they began coming out at the age I lost interest in animation and by the time I became fond of it again it was not as accessible.

ThatScoobyDoom: I hear ya.
I’ve seen a lot of people say the same.

Under The Red Hood and Public Enemies are by far my favorites.
Public Enemies has Kevin Conroy & Tim Daly reprising their TV roles of Batman & Superman.
Red Hood has Bruce Greenwood as the Bat and John Dimaggio as Joker, those 2 are DAMN good together.

@KatLong31: Ok I will find and watch those.
Thank you!

Ok so what inspires you Doom what draws you to create your videos?

ThatScoobyDoom: Be sure to let me know what you think when you do.

I think about that a lot.
At the very beginning it was 100% boredom.
Nothing more.
But now?
There are so many reasons, and I know this will sound so masturbatory, but it’s not.
I’m definitely not a bragger.
I’ve had many quite a few folks tell me that they’ve come home after a shitty day and watch one of my videos and it helps wash away all of that bullshit from the day.
I don’t know how much you listen to Kev (Smith), but I listen to all of his pods and he’s said many times that would happen.
At first I laughed it off, thought “what the hell could I ever make that could help somebody in anyway?”, but the dude was right.
It’s happened quite a few times, and it’s always weird for me.

And then there’s just a love for entertaining.
Whether it’s through something like this, a podcast, a video, or an audiodrama, I just like entertaining.

@KatLong31: I can see a progression with the videos, as you know I’ve watched and rewatched many times in order.
It is interesting to note your confidence and growth. 

That would be satisfying to hear somebody say!

I understand that excitement to entertain!
It’s thrilling for sure.

I have told you before Family dinner is one of my favorites of yours so moving.
And channel surfing shows your range, I know it might be difficult, but of your own videos which do you like best and why?

And which character that you have made up is most like yourself?
Is it Chip Skippy 😉

ThatScoobyDoom: Well thanks.
Yeah, especially since those first few were simply done on my phone. Haha
It is good to hear that folks can see the growth.
Appreciate you watching ’em so many times.

It is, it really is.
That something like me making dick jokes in wacky voices helps folks is damn cool.

I was never one that wanted or got a lot of attention, but I was definitely the kid that tried to disrupt class by making the fuckers around giggle and shit.
It is a bit of a rush.

That is hard to decide, but I have 4 in the order they were released.
Dead Or Dumbass, because the ending was unplanned and I still have scars from it.
What’s Your Name?, because it’s so personal and hilarious.
Beer Run, because it’s just so stupidly weird.
And finally, X-Mas In Da Hood, because I made that for my true first audience, my mom.

That is an even harder question to answer.
Chip Skippy would be the easy answer, but it’s hard.
There are a lot of characters in there, some with only 1 line. Haha
Chip definitely has my anger and hatred for being interrupted…but then, so does Satan…but I didn’t create him, so I guess Chip is the answer.
What about you?
Of all the characters, who is your favorite?

And how did you find my shit?
I remember our first conversation, but I don’t recall how you found it all.

@KatLong31: Of course!
My pleasure!

I could never pull that off but my hats off to you!

I love that you wrote Xmas in the god for your mom.
That is very sweet.

Well I have never written for myself (as you and I have talked about at length) so I doubt I have the connection you do.
But I was Truvy in steel magnolias and I enjoyed that whole process a lot.
My fav character I have read is from a script H’tel Baltimore her name is April she is an aging prostitute with fantastic dialogue.
I directed that show, I wish I had acted it instead.
And working with you was a very easy I enjoyed the freedom you allowed me with CD I really enjoyed her, for all the background work you let me put in.

As to me finding your stuff, I think it was Matt I had Heard the Christmas pod.
You and I already followed one another.
And yes our first convo is vivid in my mind we also had Joser and Matt and it was so fun!

ThatScoobyDoom: I never would have guessed I could do it either, but I needed an ending.
We do what we have to do for our art, right?

It is sweet until you realize how horribly, graphically, filthy it is.
But that just goes to show you the sense of humor of my family. Haha

You made my dearest Charlemagne come to life, she exists solely because of you and your notes.
And I won’t ever let you deny or forget that.

Fun stuff, dear.

Is there ANYTHING else you wanna say to the good folks reading?

@KatLong31: Well that was mostly you!
But thank you!
I enjoyed it very much!

I want to thank you Doom, I feel enlightened this was fun.
And thanks to anybody who took the time to read this!


A HUGE thank you goes to @KatLong31 for taking the time out to do this.
This lady has been a great friend and a great help, so go show her a bit of love on Twitter, and remember to stay #BatKatStrong.

Share this post on Twitter with the hashtag #Typecast.

And finally!
Always remember that the world is a really hard and unnecessarily shitty place.
Do your part to help lessen that, because you will never understand just how much something as simple as a smile or a kind word to somebody struggling to keep their head above water can be.

Thanks for reading, hope to see you back here soon.

Typecast #17: There Has Been An Awakening

Hey Gang!
Welcome back.
This go round with the Typecast, with Star Wars: The Force Awakens opening very soon, I wanted to do something a little different.
So I put the word out on the twitter and asked if there were any folks who wanted to answer 5-10 questions about Star Wars and I got about 5 bites, after a while some folks didn’t follow up so I parred I had 2 then asked Ross, Fitz, & Fafa if they wanted in.
Thankfully, they all said yes.
Also, really quick, I wanna thank @SMorgan21 for offering, if I had known I would have the room I woulda taken you up Sandy.

Now, my questions may get a bit repetitive, but all the answers took us to some cool places, so just go along with it.
My guests this go round, in order, are @SpiderScooby, @CheeryAnt, @SteBoost, @ShariSayz, and @Fitzman73.
Their names will appear in red and link to their respective Twitter accounts.
Also, starting with this Typecast, due to some punkass complaining (I’m looking at you @JoinedToFollow) my name will appear in red, so my name doesn’t blend into the conversation, and will link to my Youtube channel.

These conversations appear just as they were had, typos and all funk ups intact, to maintain honesty.
Also, just incase, I want to put up a SPOILER ALERT, cause things go slightly in that direction with some rumors and images being brought up.
All that said, up first is @SpiderScooby, so take it away me…


ThatScoobyDoom: How far back do you go with this loveable galaxy far far away?

@SpiderScooby: All my life.
I don’t remember the first time I saw the movies.
They were always just there.

ThatScoobyDoom: So you don’t really recall if your parents liked them and it sort of got passed or something?

@SpiderScooby: Oh yeah, they liked them.
I saw the OT at a very early age.
We had the old VHS releases the had the original posters for the cover art.

ThatScoobyDoom: You’re a wee bit older than me, you’ve been a fan way longer than me, so you’ve been through the periods where there has been…NOTHING!!!
So, what has kept you interested?

@SpiderScooby: Good question.
I never really had any of the toys.
I didn’t start reading the books until the late 90s.
I think the Special Editions helped.
That was my first time seeing Star Wars on the big screen.
That was an amazing experiance.
I remember the line for A New Hope being crazy.

ThatScoobyDoom: Did any of the comics feed the addiction?

And being such a fan, how different was the experience for you to 1. See them writ large for the first time?
2. What did you think of that first round of changes?

@SpiderScooby: I never got into the comics because of my eyesight (thank Bob for Comixology).

Seeing that final trench run with the updated SFX was just breathtaking.

The changes never bothered me as a kid.
I didn’t even know Han Shot First was a thing until a few years later.
Looking back on them now, some are better than others.

ThatScoobyDoom: So you, more than most, had a dark time after Jedi in regard to the Wars.

Interesting, consider the way many have reacted.

What was that build up to the prequels like for you?

@SpiderScooby: Not really.
I still had the novels.
And I was lucky enough to miss that dark period in the 80s when there wasn’t amy new SW content.

I didn’t care.
It was Star Wars.
On the big screen.
That was more important to me than any changes.

That lead-up to TPM was madness. the marketing for that movie was crazy.
I was hyped for it, even though when I did see it, it didn’t make much of an impression on me.
I liked it, but it didn’t feel like my Star Wars.

ThatScoobyDoom: Even so, there weren’t a lot of novels back then, comparatively speaking to when I came into it.
You still had to wait for shit, right?

Did you get swept into the hype?
Especially on the merch end?

As the prequels progressed, did it get closer to what you feel is your Star Wars?

@SpiderScooby: Oh, there were plenty of novels.
You had the books that followed the OT(The New Jedi Order, etc), and then the books based off of The Phantom Menace 

Mostly on the book and video game side of things.
That period between 1999 and 2005 was a great time for Stat Wars games  KOTOR, Rouge Squadron, Battlefront. 
I still say the podracibg game was the best thing to come out of Ep1.

Not until the end of Sith.
Even then it would’ve been nice to see a little more of Anakin in the Vader suit.
Ep III especially felt rushed even though it is the best of the prequels.

ThatScoobyDoom: I meant specifically before Menace.
You’ve read some of what they consider the young adult novels, right?

And don’t forget the Republic Commando game, that rocks.
Speaking of Republic Commando, this is a great time for me to eat a bit of crow from one of the earliest Typecasts.
Those Republic Commando novels are fucking masterful!
Sorry Karen Traviss!
Everybody go read them all.

I still haven’t played or seen anything from that podracing game, what was that like?
Because I get visions of like a hybrid between Crash Team Racing and the Harry Potter Quidditch game in style and tone.

The thing about Sith is that it feels like you are coming into the movie like halfway through it (and if you’ve seen the micro series or read Labyrinth Of Evil, you know this is totally the case).
From then on there’s not really a break, it just unfolds quicker than fuck.
Love that movie.

@SpiderScooby: Right, the EU was was going strong by that point(or at least it felt like that).

The young Obi-Wan books?
Yeah, loved those books.
It gave us more Obi-Wan and  Qui-Gon, two of the good things about TPM .

I’ve never read those, and I need to go finish that game.

You had many different tracks(it wasn’t just limited to Tatooine) and different podracers you could race.

The creation of the clone army should have been the first movie, with Anakin as a kid being only a flashback.

ThatScoobyDoom: I stuck to the main novels, I kinda wish I would’ve tried some of those though because I always wanted more Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan.

She somehow manages to build her own little world within the galaxy and I’m telling you brother, it is awesome.
The game is pretty damn good too.

Yeah, that sounds great.

That would have been a way different trilogy for damn sure.
But I am really happy with what we got.

How about Rebels or The Clone Wars or any of the old series?
I know you’ve seen TCW, but have you seen any of the others?

@SpiderScooby: I would agree if Ep 2 was good, I would agree.
But they didn’t hit first base til Sith.

Clones Wars started off weak, but turned into a amazing series by the end.
Too bad we didn’t more of it.
Rebels is a lot of fun, this season has been killing it.

ThatScoobyDoom: We will have to agree to disagree on this one, my good sir.
I really love Phantom Menace.
If you wanna get sporty, I’d call I a double, II hitting a foul ball where the ball goes straight up, gets caught in the lights, then comes down and smacks you dead in the face, and III is a home run.

Fitz has said the same about early Clone Wars, but I dug it from the jump.
And from what I’ve heard of Rebels, it sounds amazing.
Hondo, Clones, yes please!

Did you see Droids or Ewoks?

@SpiderScooby: It’s more like that ball comes down, hits you in the face, and puts you to sleep.

I’m one of the 5 people who saw the Clone Wars movie in the theater. That movie is rough to get through.

It’s amazing though.
You have this new character, Ahsoka, who nobody liked at first but everyone loved by the end of the series.

I’ve avoided those like the plague. I’ve seen clips of them, and they just look cringe-worthy.

ThatScoobyDoom: Now you’re just splitting hairs, vod. Haha

It’s funny that every era has had a hated character.
But the OT and TCW eras hated characters were loved by the end of their runs.

They look cheesy as fuck, but I would love to see them.
Same for those 2 Ewok movies.

What do you think of everything you’ve seen thus far of Ep VII?

@SpiderScooby: You’ve seen bits of The Holiday Special, right?

I haven’t been more hyped for a movie.
New Star Wars, plus the original trio returning.
It should be amazing.
I’m trying to stay cautiously optimistic though just in case it sucks.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yes yes, unwatchable it is…but I would buy it if they put it out.

Funny, I gave that “cautiously optimistic” line to Fafa in her portion of this very Typecast. Lol

Besides Ep VII, what are you most looking forward too?
Movies, Shows, Comics, Novels, what has you the most excited?

@SpiderScooby: I don’t think I’ve seen the whole thing.

Rebels Season 2 is going on right now.
I hope we get that Ahsoka/Vader confrontation soon.

ThatScoobyDoom: I haven’t seen it all either.
I’ve seen the beginning, some of the Bea Arthur shit, and the Boba Cartoon…it’s just pure shit. Lol

Oh, shit yeah!
That is gonna be awesome.
I love Snips, and when she finally has to come face to face with what Anakin has become, I’m getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

Okay, final question.
What does Star Wars mean to you?

@SpiderScooby: The Boba Fett cartoon is probably the only good thing about it.

Do you think Ahsoka will die?

Star Wars is my favorite film series of all time.
It is the ultimate story of Good vs. Evil and redemption.

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s the only thing I saw.

Eventually, yeah.
Not sure if it will be in this season or even this series.
But I think she kinda has to, she seems to be essential to the rebellion.
Why wasn’t she in the OT?
After she confronts Vader, she will know who he is for sure.
Either he kills her, it drives her insane, or she joins him…and that ain’t happening.

Indeed it is.
A fairy tale exacerbated to monolithic proportions.

Next up is @CheeryAnt!

ThatScoobyDoom: How long have you been following the Saga?

@CheeryAnt: I vividly remember (and this is one of my first memories) my mom talking with my grandfather about the OT when I was 4 and I asked her “Who’s Yoda?” So she told me the story of Luke and the force.
I thought it was awesome!
We didn’t have the movies so I saw them almost a decade later.
I guess I started to follow when I was 13 so 7 years now.

ThatScoobyDoom: So you knew the story before seeing the movies?
Did that ruin or help you enjoy the movies better?

@CheeryAnt: Oh, it toootally ruined the *Darth Vader voice* “Luke, I am your father” surprise.
Which was awful!
But I didn’t know much detail about the rest.
To me was unexpected Obi-Wan and Yoda dying, the twins kissing (ew), Luke losing his hand.
I become a fan.

ThatScoobyDoom: I think almost everybody knows the Daddy reveal.
It’s been referenced to death for years. Haha

What was it about it that kept you hooked into it all?

@CheeryAnt Yeah, but I knew about the daddy reveal because of my mom, not because any movie/tv show reference.
It was totally ruined either way.

Han Solo… Haha just kidding.
(**Editor’s note** I had to do a slight edit here because an emoticon fucked up. Would have left half a page of blank screen.)

Nah, I really liked the concept of the Force, Jedi vs Sith.

I know for sure every SW fan, like myself,  have tried to move something using the force… Right?
Right?! XD

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, you would be correct.
I wave my hand at automatic doors all the time.

And here’s another tip, The Imperial March makes for great walking music.
You ever have to walk down a long hallway, get that pumping through your phone, and just walk.
It’s awesome!

Which, if at all, do you prefer, the PT or the OT and why?

@CheeryAnt: Never done that, I’m gonna have to try it haha I do go humming all the time though, especially when I get inside a house XD

Definitely the OT and just because,  in my opinion, there’s 2 problems with the PT:
First, acting is not so good.
I like the story, the characters (yes, even Jar Jar Binks, he’s so dumb that it’s funny) but definitely acting ruin them a bit. 
And second, there’s absolutely no “chemistry” between Padme and Anakin.
They look like 2 friends forced to be married.
With Han and Leia you know there’s love even when they’re pretending to hate each other and I don’t feel the love with Padme and Anakin, Doom.
I want to feel the love!
If it wasn’t for those 2 things, I’d love the PT as much as I love the OT.
You’re supposed to believe shit is happening for real and the actors didn’t make it in many of the scenes.

ThatScoobyDoom: *grabs shoulders, looks deep into eyes*
Fafa…Star Wars isn’t real…Wookiee’s is just tall guys in fur suits and raccoon eyed make-up.

I sorta agree on the first, but totally agree on the second.
I can’t knock Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, or Natalie Portman’s acting.
Nor the voice acting of Ahmed Best or Frank Oz.
But the Anakin actors…have some…issues…
As for the second, that was forced as FUCK!

Have you seen The Clone Wars or Rebels?
Or any of the animated series for that matter?

@CheeryAnt: No, no!
That’s not true!
That’s impossible!

I’m personally not a fan of  MacGregor in The Phantom Manace, he was good in the other 2 though.
Jake Lloyd doesn’t bother me as much as Hayden Christensen, I’ve seen worse kids but Christensen totally fucked the amazing role.
And Portman failed with not making it look real too.

I’ve never seen not one bit of Rebels.
And just a few episodes of The Clone Wars, the ones you and Fitz talked about in the first typepod 🙂

ThatScoobyDoom: Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

Ewan is awesome in all 3, for my money.
Lloyd is a pain in the ass.
Like, the Toche Station line from Luke in A New Hope turned up to 11.
Hayden is good in 3 I think.
And as for Natalie, she’s Natalie, she rocks.

What did you think of that?

@CheeryAnt: Shut up, fucker! XD

The kid from Anchorman 2 is a pain in the ass, Lloyd was not so bad.
Christensen is good in The Revenge Of The Sith, but there’s few things I don’t like of that one.
The perfect end of the beginning. 
Portman is great, she’s my woman crush but she failed me in that bit haha

I liked it a lot!
Just when I was looking for some Star Warsy stuff, you told me about how good it is (I’m a loser for not give it a shot years ago) and I saw a few eps.
Wish I could watch the rest.
BTW, I agree with you, Mace is an asshole in TCW, but Sam “mutherfucker” Jackson is too damn awesome to be hated as a motherfucking Jedi!

ThatScoobyDoom: No clue who that kid is, not seen Anchorman 2.
Most kid actors are annoying though, which is why I never make a big deal about Lloyd.

I wish I could see the rest too, I’ve seen a few eps from later seasons and it is just brilliant.
Find some way if you can and watch it all.
Ahsoka is such a great character.
And Rebels, I saw around half of season 1, it is just as good.

Damn straight about Mace.
But credit where credit is due, that was the good sir Fitz what made that revelation, I believe.
I was still drinking the Mace Kool-aid.

Okay, Episode VII, what do you think of everything we’ve seen so far?
Anything standing out for you?

@CheeryAnt: Don’t haha or do but don’t expect much. 
That’s my point, he’s just a baby.

Padawan Tano was one of my favorite characters.
Will try to watch both somehow.

Ugh, I couldn’t remember if it was you or Fitz that said it and I was thinking “damn right! What an asshole he is!”

I’m scared, as anyone else (I guess), that J.J will fucked this up.
I tried to keep it down with the teasers release but when I saw the them, honestly, I cried.
I still do… but just a bit.
I’m a big girl.
It’s so exciting to think I’m gonna see Star Wars in a movie theater!
Now I’m really just hoping it will be good.

ThatScoobyDoom: I hated the first, I won’t waste my time. Lol

I think you are correct in thinking that, I know quite a few folks are scared JJ is gonna shit the bed.
The scarier part is that it’ll be a while before we know if he has or not, because whether it sucks or not, this movie is gonna rake in cash.

Yeah, I may have gotten a wee bit misty during the full trailers.
But they were more thrilling than anything, goosebumps for all of them.
Any new shot has the same effect.

Besides EP VII, what are you most looking forward too from the franchise?
One of the Stand Alone movies, the other Saga movies, a book, something else?

@CheeryAnt: Well, there’s idiots that didn’t like the PT.
So I suppose that even if the new saga is outstanding, there’s gonna be people shitting on it.
So I’m just hoping those morons will be wrong.

I bet you cried like a little baby haha
It gets me every time.

Rogue One… Definitely excited about that one.

ThatScoobyDoom: Agreed.
Cautiously optimistic is how I’m going in.
Hope for the best, prepare forcthe worst.

Me too, that sounds like it will be great!
The Han movie doesn’t have you all a quiver?

@CheeryAnt: Exactly!

Yeah, sure.
Curious who will play Han.
I can’t imagine someone that’s not Harrison Ford doing it.
Hopefully they’ll choose wisely.

ThatScoobyDoom: This is very true.
There is only 1 clear choice…Shia Labouf.

Okay, final question.
On a personal level, what does Star Wars mean to you?

@CheeryAnt: Shia Labublafle can suck my ass.

My grandfather was the only one that brought joy and laughter when I was little and even when I didn’t see the movies until I was 13, we used to talk and joke about it.
After he died, Star Wars was mostly what I remembered of my time with him.
Seeing those movies make me happy.
It reminds me of the good old times.

Up now is @SteBoost

ThatScoobyDoom: How far back do you go with the saga?
What are your earliest memories of it all?

@SteBoost: The first thing I definitely remember was going to the local Cinema to watch Empire.
I can’t remember what year but it was a small town single screen in England so it could have easily been ’82.
It seemed to be a big deal but I think at age 3 I was a little too young to appreciate it all.
I do remember the Hoth battle being amazing & Yoda smacking R2 with a stick was funny as all hell but that’s about it.

The real start would have been Ep.4 being the big Christmas movie on TV and despite being pretty poor we had a VCR so it got the honor of being one of the 3 or 4 tapes we had so we watched the shit out of it. 

It was impossible back then to know how big a deal it was but when school started after the holidays every kid was either Luke or Darth, Not many kids wanted to be Han at the time but that might reflect the rural village upbringing we had, Luke was just more relateable & that iconic shot of him looking to the horizon at the two suns of Tatooine is one that definitely struck a powerful chord. 

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, so you go that far back?
I can totally see small town kids loving Luke more than Han.
Han may be cool, but who can’t see themself as Luke?

Episode IV is not a Christmas movie though…The Wizard Of Oz, now THAT is a Christmas movie.

What about it hooked you in?

@SteBoost: Yeah I’m an old fart, not quite Fitzman old but old enough.

After thinking on it I dont think it was any one thing that hooked me in.
It really was the film that had it all.

The world is just so rich and filled, like not just right in front of the camera but all the little stuff going on in the background it made it feel lived in.
The story’s perfect, It’s simple really ya know, boy gets sent by his destiny to fight the evil wizard and save the princess.
It’s basic as all hell but what kid doesn’t dream of that exact thing.

The score too has to have played a big part, I think I was too young to realize it but I remember I used to replay the medal ceremony part over and over and it giving me chills.
As an adult I still think that particular part of the score is the most powerful in the whole trilogy and Princess Leia giving those looks right down the camera in that scene probably didn’t hurt either, she made me want to do something, I didn’t know what at that age but I knew whatever it was I wanted to do it a lot

ThatScoobyDoom: HAHAHA!!!

And playing off of what you said about the lived in feel and the score, the music and sound design lends itself to that with the way the they edited it.
Look at the Cantina scene specifically, the volume of the band changes as they cut around the whole bar.
It’s a subconscious way of subtly drawing you into it, it makes you feel like you are in the world.

As you say, much like Fitz, you were a part of that first generation of fans, so how did YOU feel about the prequels?

@SteBoost: I saw episode 1 in the cinema and I thought it was ok but not quite right somehow. 

It had some great bits in it like the Darth Maul fight & the improved lightsaber action in general that makes any ep4-6 fight look painfully slow.
In fact most of the action scenes are great but The over reliance on CG (as good as it was) hurt that feeling of danger & suspense quite a bit, It was sooo pretty but I didn’t feel for the characters anything like the ones from the OG films. 

I think part of it comes from so many of them are quite emotionless due to character, The Jedi is obvious but then you have Princess Amidala with her need to be stolid and regal, Palpatine is the same & Darth Maul is kickass but also very contained & this leads to somthing even Jar Jars antics & lil Anikins enthusiasm can’t drown out. 

Having seen some of the behind the scenes & other breakdown videos I think Lucas got stuck behind a wall of “yes men” who just went with whatever he said.
Where as back in the day he was in charge but he wasn’t this god like creator of the holy trilogy and people probably made suggestions or pointed out issues on Episode 1-3 right from the get go it’s him saying “what if we do this” and 20 people going “sure thing Mr Lucas” he’s good but even the best in the world need some checks & balances to prevent things getting messy & confusing.
For example one of them has 5 or 6 different things going on at the same time during the climax it’s just too much to take in comfortably where as Jedi had 3 (Endor, The attack on the 2nd Death Star & luke VS Vader & the Emperor)

A lot of people really blame Lucas & the prequels have become a bit of a joke more than they deserve.
I still get the feeling there is a good movie or two in them if someone could trim a lot of the mess of the edges.
It seems to be a generational thing, we wanted our childhood back but we didnt quite get it.
The spinoffs seem to be more universally liked but as for the prequels You young un’s seem to like them much more any take as to why?

ThatScoobyDoom: My take on it is simple.
The kids of the prequels grew up post T2, post Batman 89…ya know what, fuck 89!
We had Batman The Animated Series every day or every week on TV.
Think about it, when you guess grew up you had, as much as I love it, limited animation like Hanna-Barbera and hokey effects.
We had shit that took what you grew up on and made it look 100 times better.
So the OT, in comparison, is boring.
And some take that as me saying “fuck the original trilogy” which IS NOT the case.
I’ve said many times that I love all 6 movies, but there is no denying the prequels are better made.
Better sets, better effects, better everything with the exception of maybe acting.

The other thing would be the pace.
I’ve used this analogy before and it totally fits.
Look at any episode of Scooby-Doo back then and see how relaxed it is.
There are long periods of silence and whatnot.
Then look at any episode of Mystery Incorporated, the pace is breakneck.
No silence what so ever.
Always somebody talking or an explosion or some sort of action happening.
To your point, stuff from back in the day took it’s time, and as boring as the taxation shit may be, it was another part of a hugely layered story.
They call it sophistication, but it’s just a synonym for busy.
Every year it seems Movies and TV Shows feel they have to be more and more complex to grab attention.

I think that’s totally the case, though I think the majority of George’s ideas were great.

I think I asked Fitz this once, I want your thoughts.
Why do you think Star Wars and Indiana Jones are the only franchises that folks get pissy about CG with?
Nobody cares in superhero movies, Lord Of The Rings, Harry Potter, or anything else, but Lucas puts CG in Star Wars and people lose their fuckin’ minds!

@SteBoost: One of the things with CG is if you can see it it’s somewhat failed. 

This is definitely the case in Crystal Skull.
The gopher?
They coulda bluescreened it and it would have probably looked better.

The other is it’s kinda breaking the universe (again especially if it’s a bit wonky) everything in EP4-6 and Indy 1-3 is a real prop and that sets a kind of unwritten rule.
It also stands the test of time much better than digital stuff.
It’s all about being believable.
The scooby movies for example the CG in them is so cartoony you cant not see it but people are expecting a cartoon so it gets a mental pass.

CG is almost unspottable for space battles, the extra X-wings they added for the enhanced EP4 went completely unnoticed but Jabba? That looks ropey as hell especially a few years after the fact. 

AS for new franchises such as LOTR & the marvel movies etc, I think they’ve have CG as a rule from the word go and it’s used well, it’s not being used as everything. 

A lot of the sets are real, The CG is top of the line.
I even suspect part of the choice of IronMan for the first marvel movie was that some amount of unnatural movement would be unconcuiosly forgiven & seen as “The suit”.

 Lucas embraced it, He innovated it and drove the tech forward but at the same time he helped expose the limitations and drawbacks of CG.

ThatScoobyDoom: I get all that, but as everybody always reminds me, times change.
The OT broke new ground for damn sure, why folks gotta jam their digital dicks in the dudes mouth for trying out a new technology?

As I’ve said before, without Lucas pushing CG (even if the CG he used looks out of date now) you don’t have the Harry Potter, Lord Of The Rings, Iron Man, Avengers, Spider-Man franchises, and I highly doubt Video Games would look as good as they do now.

And on top of all of that, I honestly think that practical effects age badly the same way CG ones do.
Yes, CG Jabba looks like shit…but the practical Jabba in Jedi is goofy looking too, I love it but it’s laughable now!

What did you think of 2 and 3 after 1 sort of changed the perception of what Star Wars was?

@SteBoost: I can see your point with the CG VS practical I think it’s probably something to do with the amount of time older fans have lived with the way the practical looks even if it’s a little poor here and there it’s all consistent & the mix that is in EP1 was jarring to us grumpy old sticks in the mud. 

As for the other 2 movies I think they really turn it around.
Episodes 2 & 3 are far better I think.

2 was my introduction to the clone wars.
Having not read any of the books etc it suddenly got interesting.
When Obi wan finds Geonosis & the army of Fett based clones combined with seeing Palpatine’s political maneuverings It really made you think this is going to be the huge galactic conflict you felt it was from when it was mentioned in the OG trilogy,.
They never gave much detail but it felt like it was a massive part of history. 

It still had some flaws.
The rigid Amidala/Anakin love story falls sooo flat.
Dont get me wrong Portman is a great actor (Christensen is OK in other stuff I’ve seen too) but the triple whammy of stilted dialogue, their character traits of having to be reserved and “proper” & the fact that together they have all the chemistry of a portapotty make it almost embarrassing to watch back.

That’s probably my only real gripe with ep2 (apart from continued excess CG) The Jango Fett fight was good and they even made me buy the Yoda fight.
It all runs along nicely and having the ominous ending of all the clones and early star destroyers really made me want to see episode 3. 

Episode 3 Is the best of the prequels (IMHO) You can see how everything is “coming up empire” but no one seems to be able see it or do anything about it.
The Empire has always been an analogy of the Nazis & knowing that, watching it happen even in a fantasy setting adds a potent sinister tone to the film.
Storywise too it’s a big step in the right direction, most of the actors get chances to emote and even Anakin stops being “mannequin” Skywalker.
While that’s not good for anyone around him (especially any padawans) it helped me start giving a shit and actually engage with the characters.
I guess its a weird paradox, People love the Jedi & want more of them but put them front & center and unless they are kicking asses they have a distinct lack of personality. 

It’s a pretty great film and any gripes I have (asides from the legendary “NOOOOOOOO”) are minor.
I’d like to have seen Grevious fleshed out more (maybe they did in the spin offs I haven’t seen them), He seems like a really good character but with so much else going on I guess they didn’t have time.
It does have a bit of “Pirates of the Caribbean syndrome” you get who’s side your on but sometimes in all the plot threads you can be a bit confused as to why. 

The big Obi Wan Vs Anakin battle was to me a little over the top but that might be because of all the other action going on and not their specific fight, but one thing it definitely was guilty of was ropey CG.
They never look like they are really there.
It’s almost as bad as Episode 4 (before it got restored) you can see this area around them that looks added on & the lighting is off, A minor issue but with that much screen time & being one of the most critical moments of the flick it did drag me out if it a bit. 

On the whole I think episode 2 & 3 get tarred with the EP 1 brush more than they deserve and several of the criticisms that get thrown at them could honestly be applied to the OG trilogy if people were willing to be equally cynical.

ThatScoobyDoom: 1 last thing I want to mention and then we can drop the entire CG Vs practical thing.
But I was thinking about it and nobody seems to care about Godzilla going CG.
You made a fair point that the other franchises I mention all had CG from the jump, but Godzilla started as a dude in a suit tearing up a cardboard miniature set.
But nobody seems to care.
They bitch about the shitty stories, but CG never comes up.
The recent Planet Of The Apes movies come to mind too.

I’m always surprised that Episode 1 always gets so much shit, there are whole sections of 2 that are like a gigantic Pixar movie.
And I will say, 2 is my least favorite of the entire saga…so far.
It had great concepts, but it is too boring.
The Obi-Wan/Fett stuff is cool, but drawn out.
The Anakin/Padme stuff is just a turd in the punchbowl, drags the whole thing down.
If not for that last half hour to 45 minutes, I’d probably not watch it again.

Depending on the day, but more often than not, 3 is my favorite of the franchise.
I love that end fight.
It has that pace and ferocity that I want to see in a heated battle.
For my money, that is the best fight of the saga.
The OT fights are too slow.

Based on what you said, I’m guessing you haven’t watched The Clone Wars?
Cause the 1st 2 seasons cover Grevious pretty good, give you a bit of backstory and some great action.
As Fitz and I have said many times, that series makes the prequels way better.
Definitely check that out.
And while I’ve only seen the first half of season 1, get in on Rebels too…but watch TCW first.

What have you seen from 7 that has peaked your interest the most?

@SteBoost: I really love that we don’t know much from it at all.
It’s what a trailer should be, It’s a taster not a list of plot points (I’m looking at you The Martian trailer!)

You get an idea about some the characters but almost no idea how it all fits together ya know, It leaves you wanting to know what it’s all about: 

Who’s that in the wrecked Star destroyer? 

How did Finn end up as a storm trooper? 

What’s happened since Episode 6?

Has the galaxy gone to shit?

What’s going on with that gnarly badass Lightsaber?


Then that score hits the peak (great choice to not go with the main theme) The Falcon spirals in, Han says it’s all real, then even a cynical old bugger like me gets choked up a bit & I have to go change my pants again.

So er.. Whats peaked my interest the most? 

It looks like they might be able to pull off the impossible.
Take what’s great about both trilogies, pay tribute to the past & push the whole thing forward to some whole new place that we don’t even know about yet, but have the distinct pleasure of getting to find out.

So if you’ll excuse me I’m going to watch those trailers again.

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s what’s exciting to me, they seem to have blended the best parts of both trilogies.
The pace of the prequels and the story/characters of the originals.

Shit, at this point we’ve only seen roughly 10 minutes of the movie, and yesterday they told us the runtime is 136 minutes.
We’ve not even seen 10%.
And folks are bitching about not seeing Luke, can you believe it?

So, besides Ep VII, what are you looking forward to most?
Stand Alone movies, a Comic, the rest of the Saga movies, what?

@SteBoost: The luke thing is interesting.
I’ve read a doze rumors about him already so its best to say no-one seems to have the definitive answer so it’ll be nice to just wait and see how/if they introduce him. 

Besides the flick probably the biggest thing I’m hoping for a new Knights of the old republic game. 

BioWare have made two of them but it’s been a few years since then (they have made the entire Mass Effect saga since) and a new adventure set in the Episode 7 universe would be fantastic. Perhaps set in the time between episodes 6 and 7 so it wont interfere in any film plots and run the risk of sucking as a result.
I’m a big exponent of the idea of setting the game in the same universe as the film but keep the story totally separate, Games that do this tend to be the better ones as they are such a different medium, and if nothing else expanding the universe is always cool too.

The stand alone movies sound like a great idea, Again it’s expanding the universe & if it all goes tits up it’s not to the detriment of the core movies, but I get the feeling they have learned enough from Marvel to make them work. 

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, and I don’t understand the folks bitching we haven’t seen Luke.
It’s like, you fuckers bitch if they show everything in the trailers…but then these same assholes will bitch if they try to leave some shit for the theater.
Make up your goddamn minds people!

KotOR probably won’t happen, but I do miss that era.
That first game was brilliant!
I could see them doing a game like that though for the new era.

The general consensus for the other Typecasters thus far is that Rogue One is the most anticipated of the stand-alones.
It does sound fun and interesting.

@SteBoost: A little twatty bit of me would kinda like it if it turns out Luke’s not even in ep7. 

I’m kinda trying to keep my head down a bit so I get each flick fresh, so I’m not up to speed on it beyond that teaser I saw a while back but I can’t see Rouge one not being great.
Having standalones that are in the universe but perhaps not directly connected gives them some great leeway to do something different & it’s gotta help with the writing of the main films, not so much temptation to throw everything that sounds cool into them, they can… stay on target so to speak but we still get some cool alt story line.

The roll Marvel is on just gives me a feeling that they’ve got it figured out.
Having that level of experience to call on can’t hurt.

As for a new KotOR?
Trust me, before episode 8 is out it’ll be happening.
There is a big fat cash cow just sat in the field just ready to be milked. 

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, there ain’t no way in hell that would happen!
People would be fucking PISSED, dude. Lol

Kind of like they did on The Clone Wars.
On there they did Godzilla episodes, horror, mad scientists, every genre was explored from what I hear.

Of all the stuff Marvel has put out, I’ve only read 5 issues total, but I’ve loved it.
And the opening to the first issue of Star Wars was brilliant!
Double page spread crawler.
I loved that.

I think they may do a game like that, but I doubt it would be KotOR III.
I don’t think they are interested in that era right now.
Their interest is almost exclusively focused in just before Ep IV and forward.

Okay, this is my final question for you, man.
What does Star Wars mean to you?

@SteBoost: What doe’s It mean to me?
Hmm, It’s like that dependable awesome rock star uncle.
The one that you sometime don’t see very often but was a huge influence for the better when you were young.
No one else came close, even if he was a little hokey at times he’s always make you feel that all was going to be ok and right in the world. 

Someone once pretended to be him at a party one time about 15 years ago, That asshole touched you and made you feel bad and you hated on him for a long time. 

But now?
He’s really back and he’s bringing presents and it’s going to be awesome to see him again.
We can remissness about back in the day & hear about all the wild crazy adventures he’s been on while I’ve been doing boring grown up life things. 

I cant wait to dust off the old toys and play space wizards with him again… its been too long.

Our penultimate conversation, with @ShariSayz

ThatScoobyDoom: How far back do you go with Star Wars, where does your fandom for the saga come from?

@ShariSayz: I don’t remember exactly when it started, but it probably would have been between the ages of 12-14. 
I remember growing up and knowing that the Star Wars movies were a Big Deal, but I hadn’t actually seen them up until then.
At some point during that time period, they re-released the original trilogy in theatres, one at a time.
My best friend at the time (Jordan) and I, both burgeoning film buffs at the time, went to see all three of them on their opening nights.
Growing up in a post-Jurassic Park era, I was a little let down by how dated the films looked, but I was pulled in by the story and I remember feeling like we were participating in a rite of passage – like it was important to go see them in a proper theatre.
I’ve seen them again a few times over the years, in various situations.
They usually do a marathon on Space around this time of year so it’s sort of become a tradition to re-watch them.
I think my appreciation for both the movies and the legacy grew deeper the older I got, especially after seeing more films from that era and realizing how ahead of their time those original movies truly were.

ThatScoobyDoom: Wow, that is eerily similar to me, with 1 exception.
I saw those rereleases before the prequels came out and it didn’t grab me.
As I’ve said in other parts of this Typecast, this was post-Batman:TAS, I like 6-8 and was used to a different level of action.
At that age, these were boring old timey movies, I remember fallin asleep during the speeder bike chase in Jedi so many times.
I had to grow up a bit as a movie fan to appreciate them.

What was it that wrangled you in and made you really call yourself a fan?

@ShariSayz: That’s a good question… When I re-watched them as an adult, it was during a time in my life when I was feeling the need for something more.
At the time I was either just married or about to be (don’t remember exactly when this was), working a 9-5 and living in the suburbs, and to be honest I was bored out of my mind.
I’ve always been a sucker for a good “hero journey” story, and I think that’s what really pulled me in.
Luke was just this kid, living his life and thinking he was no one special, then he got swept up in this epic battle against the forces of evil, found this whole new pseudo-family, discovered he had secret powers and basically saved the galaxy.
He went from farm kid to Jedi hero in three movies.
I guess it spoke to that same part of me that wanted to run away to Narnia as kid – the part that always hoped that one day someone would scoop me up and take me on a grand adventure.
Also they had cool robots, lol.

ThatScoobyDoom: Until like 3 years ago, those stories were done, did you ever wish for more from the original group?

And how did you feel about the prequels?

@ShariSayz: I don’t remember ever wanting more from the original group.
I felt like the story wrapped up perfectly, and they told what needed to be told.
Actually, when they announced the prequels, I was very much against them.
Although to be fair, I was an arrogant teenager at this point.
I just thought the entire concept of a “prequel” was unnecessary.
I didn’t feel like every detail needed to be explained, and I liked that there was a bit of mystery involved.
It left room for us as the viewers to sort of fill in the blanks ourselves.
I actually refused to see the prequels for years as a form of personal (and completely pointless) protest. 

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s interesting.
Because I’ve seen quite a few (including Fitz in one of the early Typecasts) say they felt a slight depression when it was over.
Like friends had died or something.

And what did you think when you finally broke down and watched them?

@ShariSayz: I get that, I felt the same way when the last Harry Potter movie came out.
I think maybe because by the time I actually got to Star Wars, it was already over and no one expected there to be more.

To be honest, I found the prequels underwhelming.
I don’t hate them the way some people do, I just didn’t find them as interesting, although I feel like I should probably revisit them with a fresh mind.
There was some cool stuff in the last one, though.
I think the scene where they put the Vader mask on Anakin was totally worth the journey. 

ThatScoobyDoom: I felt the same way about Potter, but more so with the books than the movies.
Even though the movies are what lead me to the books, at least lead to my love of them, and I do have a huge crush on Emma Watson.
But I get your point.

And I think the reason the people who actually like the Prequels but felt underwhelmed by them like you did feel that way because the Prequels are like the Titanic.
You know Anakin is gonna hit the iceberg, for the story to be told he has too.
But I like to to cognitively reframe it a bit and think of the journey rather then the destination.
Take the long view and look at the saga as a whole.

And what might improve your enjoyment is The Clone Wars, have you seen any of that series?

@ShariSayz: You make a good point.
A lot of the suspense is gone when you know how the story is going to end.
But yeah, I’ll definitely give them another shot before at some point, hopefully before the new one comes out if I have time.
And no, I haven’t seen any of The Clone Wars.
That one takes place in between the two sets of film, right?

ThatScoobyDoom: Clone Wars takes place between 2 and 3.
It’s a great series and sheds a lot of new light on the entire saga, but even without that aspect it’s a beautiful series.
I’ve never been big on CG Animation on TV, but this rocked.

I really think you’d love Rebels though.
It’s set 5 years before A New Hope, has quite a few Clone Wars characters, but I think you can enjoy it on it’s own.

So, what are you most looking forward to beyond Ep VII?
The rest of the Saga films, one of the stand alones, or something else?

@ShariSayz: I’m cautiously optimistic about the new saga films.
I’m scared to get my hopes up, but so far everything I’ve seen looks amazing (and I just heard a new rumour that I really, really hope is true because it could be so interesting).
But if we don’t get to see a lady Jedi wield a light sabre in this new one, I’m going to be super bummed out.
But apparently Princess Leia is now General Leia, which I LOVE.
I’m definitely really looking forward to seeing the old characters pop back up again.
I’m kind of taking a wait and see approach with all this, but I would definitely go see a stand alone movie about a young Han Solo, if they do one.

ThatScoobyDoom: Cautiously Optimistic is the theme of this Typecast.
That’s how everybody, myself included, is trying to go in.

What’s the rumor?

If you want lady Jedi, The Clone Wars is definetly for you.
Luminara Unduli, Padawan Ahsoka, Aayla Secura, Bariss Offee, and I’m sure there are many more I can’t remember.
Then there is Count Dooku’s Apprentice Asajj Ventress on the Dark Side.
There’s plenty of Saber carrying badass females in the galaxy.

About Leia, I always thought there could be Alderaan survivors out in the galaxy that she could rally to the rebellion and be their Queen.
General? Yes!
But I got the feeling she probably had that title once Alderaan went kablooey, because it’s clear she holds rank in the rebellion with how she acts in Return of the Jedi.

Young Han is happening.
They’re struggling to cast him now. Lol

@ShariSayz: ***SPOILER ALERT***
The rumour is that Luke went Dark Side and he’s the main villain, which is why he hasn’t been seen in any of the ads so far.
I think that would certainly be an interesting take, and given the family history, not completely outside the realm of possibility.
I don’t even remember where I heard it, and there’s nothing to back it up so it could be completely wrong.
But I think Luke would be so much more interesting as a villain, and we all know Hamill is totally capable of being a badass.

Clone Wars sounds awesome.
Next time I need a good binge watch, I’ll definitely check it out.

I hope they find someone good for young Han.
I think heard something about Aaron Taylor-Johnson but I’m not sure he has the swagger.
I always feel like it’s better to go with a lesser known actor for these iconic characters.
The character himself has so much history behind it, I’m not sure you need a big name.
And sometimes it’s better to do without the baggage that a more famous actor might bring.
It’ll be interesting to see who they pick, that’s for sure.

ThatScoobyDoom: Ah, that has been around since the jump.
That’s something that I flip flop on, cause it feels like it would cheapen Luke’s journey from IV-VI.
But it would be cool.

I can’t recommend it enough.

Yeah, if you get Chris Pratt or Bradly Cooper (both were rumored for Indy when the talk was that would be recast) they bring way too much to the point they’d both be distracting.
I can’t think of anybody I would pick to take up the role.
But I heard they have gone through 2500 actors and still haven’t found the right man.

@ShariSayz: I kind of felt the same about Luke being a villain, in that it would take away from his journey, but I think if they made it a story about redemption it could work.
Like if they were able to save him from the Dark Side in the way that he couldn’t do for his father, it would be a nice full circle moment.
Now that it’s in my head it’s kind of all I want.
But I guess we’ll have to wait and see…

I would totally be into Chris Pratt as Indy, but not Han.
I love Chris Pratt, but he’s always very… Chris Pratt-y.
He never really disappears into the role for me.
I can’t think of anyone I would pick for the role either.
I feel like they’re going to find the guy bussing tables at some diner in Ohio or something.
I’m glad that they’re being thorough though.
I can’t even imagine the amount of pressure on the guy who eventually gets it.
Talk about some big shoes to fill.

ThatScoobyDoom: I agree.
It would be a very compelling story.
But I’m not sure.
I’m trying not to dig too deep on it.
I want to think they might be keeping Luke from us solely because they don’t want to reveal everything before the 18th.
They want some mystery, something to keep casual fans intrigued.

I don’t think I’ve seen Pratt in anything, but I’m glad that Harrison is keeping that role.
Fuck recasting, Indy ain’t Batman or James Bond.
But as for the Solo movie, I wonder if they would do something like what is up with the next Die Hard and have Ford in a sort of wrap around story with some young kid running around has young Han.

Okay, my final question for you.
On a personal level, what does Star Wars mean to you?

@ShariSayz: That’s a good question.
I’ve been thinking about this, trying to put it into words.
When you look at the actual narrative of the films, there’s the idea that good can conquer evil, so matter how stacked the odds.
There’s also the idea that family doesn’t have to be blood (or, in this case, human).
Actually, those are both very important themes in most of the stories that I’m particularly drawn to. 

On a different level, I think there’s also this secret handshake quality of being a Stars Wars fan.
For a long time, there’s was this idea that it was “for nerds”, and there are probably still people who will scoff at it, but in a way, that’s helped us nerds find each other.
It created sort of a cultural clubhouse.
Star Wars isn’t just a movie series, there’s an entire subculture built around it – one that contains a universe of references, inside jokes and pretty sweet merchandise.
I think that’s also a big part of why I’m drawn to it, because it helps to build a connection to other people with similar interests and values. 

And finally, here’s @Fitzman73

ThatScoobyDoom: Way back in the very 1st Typecast, and in a few since, you told us about you and your dad kind of bonding a bit over Star Wars.
That got me wondering, has he seen anything from TFA?

@Fitzman73: Yeah he’s seen some, I think I showed him the first trailer.
Didn’t get too much of a reaction, but then again that’s not surprising.
I asked him on Thanksgiving, so what day are we going to see Star Wars and he was like huh?
I said it comes out the 18th what day are we going?  Ha.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, folks of his generation tend to be more reserved.
Not as excitable as yours, mine, and this new crop of bastards.

Would you call him more of a casual fan?

@Fitzman73: Yeah I would say casual at best.
He definitely doesn’t know the name of the Ewok shaman or that there is a Kyber crystal inside a lightsaber.  

Westerns are his Star Wars.
He has an unhealthy obsession with them.

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh christ, my Dad is the same way.
Always with the fuckin’ westerns.

What is that like for you as a hardcore fan?
Because, I mean, clearly you both share a love for it, but your love is more “hopelessly, head over heels”.
Do you ever whip out Kyber crystal at him and he reaches for holy water to get the demon out of ya?
Cause that’s how most folks I know react to me.

@Fitzman73: No, haven’t gone terribly hard core on him since I was a kid.
I’m sure I annoyed the shit out of him back then though.
He likes them but he’s much more in the “dude it’s just a movie” camp. 

I think most of his enjoyment probably came from me enjoying them and having it be something we went to see together.

ThatScoobyDoom: With that in mind, has he watched any of TCW or Rebels?
Or is he like my Dad in that respect “cartoons are baby shit”?

@Fitzman73: No he’s not like that, but he hasn’t watched any either I don’t think.
He might’ve watched some by accident with my nephew, but he definitely hasn’t sought it out.

It’s crazy, but literally if it’s not a western (the older the better), local news, or something the grandkids are watching, it basically doesn’t exist in his world. Lol.

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, I know that so well, sir. Hahaha

Let’s switch gears a bit, you and I have talked about a lot of it privately, but lets go over a wee bit of it.
What have you thought of a lot of the stuff we’ve seen from TFA since last we talked about it?

@Fitzman73: So far it all looks great.
But honestly I’m over the trailers and TV spots.
They’re starting to get pretty maddening since they seem to recycling a lot of the same footage.
I mean I get why they’re so calculated in what they’re allowing people to see ahead of time, but it’s a little too much of a cock tease to keep releasing new spots several times a week and showing 90% of the same stuff over and over.
At this point I’m just ready for the entire film.
Stop fucking around already and let’s just get it on.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, I’m seeing that reaction quite a bit.
With the way they’re doing that, it’s making people feel like it’s further away than it really is, upping the anticipation too high too soon.

What that’s been released to the mainstream had peaked your interest the most since last we talked?

@Fitzman73: The stuff about Maz Kanada probably.
I wasn’t that interested in her before but now that they’ve said she has a special gift and is thousands of years old?
I gotta know more

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh yes, and the potential ramifications of that life span?
That gift?
Damn dude!
It sounds like Maz has seen some shit.

They’ve peaked my interest in Snoke, too.
A giant dude played by Andy Serkis?
That has potential to be astonishing.

I also wonder about Von Sydow, we know next to nothing about him beyond the fact that his character and Daisy’s Rey have some sort of special connection.

@Fitzman73: I just read something that would seem to contradict that 25 foot high Snoke claim that Serkis said awhile back.
The guy actually doing the CG said 7 foot something and very thin?

Oh and fuck what I just said.
THIS has me the most interested …


ThatScoobyDoom: That’s still pretty damn big, unless you spend a lot of time in circuses, wrestling locker rooms, or around basketball courts.

Lemme just throw another ***SPOILER ALERT*** on here, just for shits and giggles.

Is that her staff as you’ve previously guessed?

@Fitzman73: No, looks like Luke’s blue saber to me.
Which begs the question, was Harrison Ford fucking around on that twitter Q&A the other week when he said his favorite action scene was the Rey vs. Ren lightsaber duel or was it for real?

Also, this makes me think Finn may lose a hand….

ThatScoobyDoom: This has been something the 2 of us have struggled with since it happened.
If he just let it slip in an interview then he woulda faced an NDA fine. But something like the Twitter Q&A he had to have PR folks up his ass clearing answers before he hit send tweet.
So, I guess he wasn’t bullshittin’.

I can see why.
But picture this, Rey finds the blade, gives it to Leia, who gives it to Finn.
Let the dude keep his gorram hand.
3PO lost his arm, ain’t that enough?

@Fitzman73: It’s the law of Star Wars bro.
Every film has at least one dismemberment by lightsaber.
It’s a fact.

Ep I: Maul is cut in half
Ep II: Anakin loses an arm, Jango loses a head
Ep III: Dooku loses both hands and his head, Mace loses an arm, Anakin loses both legs and his good arm
Ep IV: Walrus man loses an arm
Ep V: Luke loses a hand
Ep VI: Vader loses a cyborg arm

So I’d say the chances are favorable that at least someone is gonna be an amputee after this.

Of course you do make a good point, it could be there because she supposedly finds it originally.
This isn’t a Rey on Jakku figure now is it?
This is presumably after she’s joined the resistance. 

I don’t know, this could go so many directions it’d mind boggling.
The possibilities, for now, are just about endless. 

If it turns out that those 2 do in fact fight, you better believe that was no accident that he let it “slip”.
Like I said it was either him trolling as a goof, or a very premeditated and blessed answer.
A tantalizing nugget to stir the pot.

ThatScoobyDoom: I know, man. Haha

I don’t know.
The figure looks like her Jakku gear.
But the card image’s gear looks darker, more polished, sophisticated.

That there is for true indeed though.
Endless possibilities and who knows what was behind him letting that slip.

Just for a bit, I wanna shift to the comics.
Have you been keeping up with ’em?

@Fitzman73: One last not on that figure, it does literally say Resistance outfit on it.
But as far as costumes, it’s probably just what she’s wearing under her flowy Jakku kit.

I’ve kept up with the comics a bit.
There’s kind of a content overload at the moment for me personally.
Too much shit all at once.
I did read the Force Awakens prelude mini series which is good but mostly a huge cock tease.
And I picked up the first collection of the new Star Wars series.
Prior to the TBP, I’d only read issue 1 of that series and felt it was so-so.
It gets much better and more interesting as it goes along.

ThatScoobyDoom: I didn’t even notice that.
Good eye.

So nothing earth shattering happening…yet in the comics?
I dug that first issue of Star Wars.
I used walmart as a library the other night and read the first issue of Kanan, that was fuckin’ awesome!

Speaking of huge cock teases, and so we don’t spoil it, we should let the folks know we will be breaking down Shattered Empire at some point.

@Fitzman73: Yeah Kanan is on my list.
I think it’s in trade now too.

The art in that Star Wars series is awesome.
I dug the first issue too, I guess I was just expecting more or something.
But the plot does thicken in subsequent issues. 

The other titles I’m honestly not that interested in.
Although I’ve heard they’re good.
Maybe some day I’ll get to them.

ThatScoobyDoom: It is in trade, that’s how I read it.
I really really dug it.
I’ve read many stories where the moment happens, and it’s awesome everytime.
“The time has come, execute Order 66.”

That first issue has my favorite opening to a comic ever.
2 page STAR WARS is a great way to kick off a new era.

The Lando and Chewie books looked great.
I’m so damn interested in the Obi-Wan/Anakin book, I’ve always craves more stories from that time period.

2 questions before I hit you with the final.
1. How do you feel about 3PO having 2 gold legs now?
2. What are you most looking forward to other than VII?

@Fitzman73: Aw fuck I forgot about the Anakin Obi-Wan book.
That looks awesome.
That one I’m interested in.
Is that early next year?

Believe it or not, I didn’t realize he was back to having 2 gold legs.
I was too distracted by that red arm.
I can’t wait to see if there’s some reason given for it or if it’s just left to our imagination.
But the gold legs don’t bother me.
They were both gold in episode 3 too I believe.

What am I looking forward too besides episode 7?
I’m looking forward to the back half of Rebels season 2.
They’ve really taken things up a notch this season and I can’t wait for the inevitable confrontation between Vader and *****SPOILERS***** Ahsoka.
Especially since they’ve made it clear that both parties know the other is alive and well.
They’re actively hunting and spying on each other.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yes!
I think February or March.
Not sure if it’s 4 issues or longer.

There is a 1 shot comic coming out this month that explains the Red Arm.
Yeah, he had 2 golds in Sith.
When I recently saw a pic that had 2 gold legs, I gotta admit, I was a little let down.
I like the idea that after 60 years, 3PO is a mismatched droid that’s made up of all kinds of spare parts just to keep him up and running.

Have they really gotten that across?
Last I heard Ahsoka just had a…feeling about Vader.
That sounds awesome!

@Fitzman73: I don’t know, I would say 3PO is probably kept up and running like you suggest, but those are just coverings right?
It’s clearly not a big deal to gold plate those coverings.
They did it once between ep2 and 3, so it’s not unreasonable to think that once the rebels were able to stop running as much after Jedi and got themselves somewhat safely set up in their own bases and safeworlds at some point they would’ve redipped him just like you’d restore an old car or something.
Given him a proper fixing up.
Since then obviously he’s been beaten around some more, possibly lost his original arm and had it replaced with whatever was handy maybe. 

Ahsoka hasn’t come out and revealed that to anyone that she knows it’s Anakin, but her reactions and subtle comments make it pretty clear that she knows and wants answers.
And Vader explicitly knows she’s out there.
I think he even says when he realizes “So. The padawan lives”. 

ThatScoobyDoom: I know it’s not a big thing, and you are probably right about them restoring him eventually, but I think it’s a nice subtle sign that he has been through some shit.
Just this patchwork droid hobbling around with an assload of colors is a cool visual, me thinks.

Oh shit, son.
That just gave me chills…wow!
Hopefully that shit pops up on YT when it happens.

Okay, so my final question, and I think you’ll have a great answer for this one.
On a very personal level, what does Star Wars mean to you?

@Fitzman73: That’s a good question that I’m not sure I have a real good answer for.

I’m trying to not get overly theatrical about it or over exaggerate it, but really when I think about it, it’s really one of the foundations of my entire development. 

It’s been with me from the time I was 4 years old, it’s been with me longer than my sister for Christ’s sake. 

It’s like another appendage or something.
I’ve had very few years in my life where it wasn’t there in some form or another.
Even during the dark times of like ’85 to ’95 it was present in my life if in nothing more than conversations among friends.

At the same time, I don’t want to come off as some kind of weirdo that all that matters to me is Star Wars.
And everything has to be related to Star Wars.

But honestly, it kinda means happiness.
It means security and safety.
It means friends.
It was one of the things that talk me early on the importance of being good and doing right.


And there you have it.

Snoke said it in that first trailer, and that’s why I chose that line for the title of this Typecast.
There Has Been An Awakening in fandom and I think we have all felt it.
Some might say Star Wars is just a movie, just a franchise, but obviously it is more.
It means way more to everybody who enjoys it and that is something special.
It truly does bind us.

I want to thank @SpiderScooby, @CheeryAnt, @SteBoost, @ShariSayz, & @Fitzman73 for taking the time to do this.
It was done in a bit of a rush and they all came through for me and I can’t express how much I appreciate it.
If you are on twitter, please go follow all 5 of them.

Share this post on Twitter with the hashtag #Typecast.

And finally.
This world is a very hard place, full of people spewing hateful, shitty bile.
Now more than ever, it is important to combat that in any way you can.
A smile to a random person on a shitty day or just a kind word can help more than you know.

Thank you for reading, hope to see you around here again real soon.

How It Happened: Channel Surfing

Strap in, cause this is a long ass story!


I realize I may say this a lot, but this is a video I love and am beyond proud of because I was able to show off my talent on every front.
Editing, Voice Acting, Producing, and Directing.
This is a showcase of just exactly what I can do at my very best!

I want to make this extremely, blisteringly, painfully clear here at the top, I hold no ill will, grudge, or anything else of the sort against the brilliant artist mentioned below!
What I say below is just my perspective on the situation and how I felt at the time.
And I will own it right here and right now, it is my fault and I definitely could have and should have handled it better.

With all of that out of the way, lets get into it, and trust me when I tell you there is a story and a half to be told here.

Some of you may have noticed that all of the female voices in this video are credited to a Twitter account (@Sunnee_dayz) that isn’t really active and there is a reason for that.
The lovely lady behind those beautiful voices is none other than the supremely talented @ShariSayz.
As I recall, this video came together in an extremely short amount of time to meet my fast approaching deadline, I think it was less than 2 weeks for the full production of this one.
And that includes the writing.
So, the idea I had for this thing originally was that a dude was sitting up late one night watching TV, flipping through the channels, and running across all the types of shows and infomercials that we all know exist in those wee hours of the night/morning.
But that felt a little too weak, I needed something to strengthen the video, I didn’t want it to just be a collection of me doing weird voices and shit.
I struggled to come up with a wraparound story to give it all a purpose to exist, and that was when I came up with the closing segment (which had it’s own set of problems that I’ll get to later) of the dude watching a porn on TV and getting caught by his lady.
I had my hook!

I knew I needed to write a lady in at this point, which gave me the idea for a new segment to include.
I figured I had to come up with a reason for the wifey to be gone long enough for the dude to flip through all of those channels too, and I’ll admit her having to park down the block is a bit weak but it’s enough to get into the showcase of voices.

As I was breaking and recording the segments, I started thinking of who I could get to help me out with bringing this baby home.
While technically this is the first time I’ve worked with @ShariSayz on something that you guys have gotten to see, I’ve actually written something with her in mind before that kind of stalled out due to my feeling overwhelmed by the story and another actor being hard to reach.
@ShariSayz had recorded and sent me some takes for that and a bit of a sizzle reel of her doing some voices and I liked what she did.

Now this is where things started getting complicated, and as I said above, I could have AND SHOULD HAVE handled it better, but this is how it happened from My perspective.
I DM’d Shari on Twitter and asked her if she would be interested in working with me on a new project.
She said yes.
Then I dropped the bombshell, because I figured if she didn’t want to be in based on what I had to say we could get it out of the way early, no harm no foul.
I broke it down and told her exactly what I needed, being PAINFULLY clear that there was a porn scene.
Her reply was that that was fine, she had no shame.
I was shocked she’d agreed, but she did.
I told her the timeline would be very short as this just popped into my head and the deadline was creeping up fast.
She said she’d do her best.
I was relieved simply because I thought, understandably so, the porn scene would be a hard sell.

So she recorded and sent the audio and it was brilliant!
I don’t say this because she was kind enough to help me or because I’m pretty sure she’ll read this, I say this because it is the goddamn truth, Shari is AMAZINGLY talented and made my work better just by taking part in it.
But I had a slight issue with her initial porn track and asked for a rerecord, which she quickly did for me, and it was perfect!
I quickly set about recording/editing it all together (which was a fiasco in and of itself that I’ll tell you about a little bit later) and that was when I got an email from from Shari that almost brought it all crashing down around me.

2 days before it’s ready to be posted, I’m still editing and recording like a bastard trying to get it ready to post when I get and email from Shari telling me that she’s getting cold feet because of the porn.
She was afraid, and understandably/rightfully so, of the possibility that future employers or, god forbid, her parents would hear it.
I tried my damnedest to talk her down, mostly for the incredibly selfish reason that at the time I had no other lady I could turn to (a problem that persists to this day, with the exception of the lovely Bat Kat), and I will admit that to this day, while I love this video deeply, I do feel a bit guilty for the pressure I did put on her not to drop out on me.
It was insanely selfish, and I’ll felt bad about it for quite a while and it continues to flare up when I’m in a particularly bad mood from time to time.
I’ve mentioned many times the guilt I feel about folks doing work for me for free, and that is something I still battle with.
I still try to do whatever I can without help because of that.

So I convinced her to sleep on it, all the while I was losing my fuckin’ mind on twitter.
The crunched production time already had me on edge and this seemed to be making all of the hard work I’d put in useless.
But thankfully the next day, after talking it over with somebody, she sent me an email and said cooler heads prevailed and gave me the go ahead to use her audio if I put that fake @ on it.
Which was a version of one of the contingency plans I’d posed the night before.
So that was settled.
Now before I go into breaking down each segment I want to make it clear that I only tell this story because @ShariSayz gave me permission.
For that and for doing the video, I thank you Shari.
And I do apologize for putting pressure on you to go through with it.
That WILL NOT happen again.

Now, go watch the video and afterwards I’ll break it down segment by segment for ya’s.


Fun, right?
Now lets get into the details!


Opening: As I said above, that was all just to get the wife/girlfriend out of the house so the husband/boyfriend could do some Channel Surfing.
But there is a bit more to it than you all realize.
When I said above that I had worked with @ShariSayz on something else, the image of Hal’s “qwik check” is a reference to that.
That story was called “Why Us” and featured @TheGuy4420, Shari, and myself in a story full of death, mobsters, and mayhem that I had intended to turn into a trilogy of videos.
It was also to feature @FromTheMonkey as Hal!
It was my little attempt at universe building, trying to connect all of my shit together in a View Askew kinda way.
But as of today, Why Us remains unproduced.
Maybe someday…


3:16: Any WWE fan knows exactly what this is, but for those of you reading who may not, this is a tribute to Stone Cold Steve Austin’s famous King Of The Ring ’96 promo after he won that basically helped launch his character and career to new heights.
Great promo, check it out on YT.


Channel 37 News: Obviously, Channel 37 is a reference to Clerks, but the cauterized assholes actually is a sorta reference to something from my childhood.
There was this kid in the neighborhood who had a video camera and a fascination with fire, one dangerously hilarious story had him put his finger into a bottle of finger nail polish remover, he turned the bottle upside down to soak his finger real damn good, he turned the bottle right side up, pulled his finger out, and lit his finger on fire…his finger went up, all of us (including him) laughed...THEN SUDDENLY THE FLAME TRAVELED UP HIS ARM TO HIS ARMPIT!!!
What dumbass didn’t realize was that when he turned the bottle upside down his finger didn’t create a perfect seal, the polish removing liquid leaked down his arm.
After that, we told him someday he’d melt his asshole shut.


Tube Man: Joke from Family Guy that I’ve always loved.
Everytime I see one of those fuckin’ things I think of that entire bit, and on occasion I break out and do the bit.

Televangelist: You all know late night TV is littered with these fuckin’ DOUCHE BAGS begging for money so they can maintain their goddamn arena churches.
Using the voice of Reverend Tim from Dumbass Poets Society, I did my version…which is, as per my usual, (and to quote @NeilGat)  about as subtle as surprise prison rape, Reverend Tim just flat out tells you to “GIVE ME YOUR MONEEEEY!” sounding a bit like Chris Tucker.


Music: Ah, now this segment has a pretty good story to it as well, most of which happened after the video dropped.
After @Woody_TESDFan did the song for me for Dumbass Poets Society 2: Fallout we talked about doing more together.
When this video developed I knew I wanted to have a segment with some music in it, so I talked to Woody about it and he graciously provided me with Part Of Life by his band Shoot The Mood.
I asked him for a picture to go along with it, again he came through.
The video got posted, everything went swimmingly…but that fuckin’ song, man!
I couldn’t shake it!
Just something about it kept giving me these flashes of images, images that were slightly depressing but realistic none the less.
You might notice I’m not telling you what those images are/were and that would be because I did a break down, including numerous time stamps, of these images and sent the entire idea of the music video I had playing in my head to Woody.
He talked to the band, said they dug it, and the plan was that he and a few folks he knew were going to go forward and shoot the video, send it to me to edit together, then it would be posted on the Shoot The Moon YouTube Channel and on My YouTube Channel…now somewhere along the way we both got busy with other projects and sadly nothing has happened since.
But, either they way described above or on my own (if they give me approval, obviously) I wanna go forward and make this video.
In my estimation, it’s too damn good not to make it!

Super Bright Flashing Light: This is just me poking fun at the stupid bullshit products they show in late night commercials and infomercials with so much excitement they make you wanna fuckin’ puke.


Russia From My Backyard: We all remember this particular soundbite of pure stupidity, no need to break it down any further on that front.
But the picture?
Ah, it was actually taken winter 2013/2014 from my back porch during the record snowfall we had.
I thought it was a bad ass pic so I snapped it.
While making this video, I had the idea for this segment and it fit.
I remember the reaction when I pitched it to @ShariSayz because, as detailed above, I figured she’d take issue with the porn right away but this is the one that seemed to stump her the most.
She said something like “I don’t know if I can do that. I’ve never done a Palin impression.” which still to this day makes me laugh.
I remember telling her it didn’t have to sound exact just to have the same feeling, but if she didn’t feel she could pull it off I would do it.
Obviously, she did it and she did it well.

Clouds: This segment here is an almost direct pull (I made 1 slight derivation in the restaurant name) from one of Gabriel Iglesias’s bits.
I have been a fan of Gabriel since his days on All That days on Nickelodeon and wanted to do a little tribute to him.


Veg-etarian: This I thought was funny simply because it’s not what you expect them to say.
You know you expected some kind of ethicist or homophobic bullshit to flop out of their mouths and it gives you a bit of shock when they pull a swerve and go in a different direction.
And I liked the pic I came up with for it, something kinda peaceful about a crapper at the foot of a mountain.


Balls Deep: Usually before I record I use songs from Family Guy and The Cleveland Show as warm ups.
So, with that in mind, I figured I’d bring some of the warm up into the work, and since we all know just how much I love doing the voice that Kevin Michael Richardson perfected on The Cleveland Show, I felt there was no better choice than to go with my Favorite Cleveland JR song Balls Deep.
That song is fucking hilarious and you need to search it on YT.
For the image, I took my inspiration from the episode/song itself and made a picture that in some way resembles a ball pit.

Cooking Show: Cooking shows are every fuckin’ where, man.
You flip the channel any which way and you have some goofy asshole in a hat telling you how you cut an onion wrong.
So there’s that.

Joker: As said previously, I love my Joker voice.
I imagined this segment as “The Joker enters the house in the pilot of his own sitcom finding Harley right where he left her…tied to a chair for the last 4 hours”.
Not sure if anything similar to that came across, but that’s what it’s meant to be.


Porn/Close: Besides everything listed above, this segment was the biggest pain in the dick.
The editing on it was a headache because for some reason I could not get that porn audio to work right.
As you’ll notice if you really pay attention to it, my part of the porn audio starts really loud then fades to nothing and Shari’s does the exact opposite, starts at nothing then ramps up to a huge crescendo.
What I was trying to do with it was layer them evenly so we both maintained a consistent volume.
If you don’t mind me getting technical, the way it should work is I lay her audio into the timeline with a photo that doesn’t matter so I can publish it as a video.
Then I take the video version of her audio and lay it into the audio portion of the timeline, lay my version into the audio portion of the timeline, edit and sync my audio to fit with hers, then publish that as a video to have our audio perfectly in alignment and lay it into the Official video’s timeline as audio…but no matter how many times I tried this process (which, trust me, is way easier than it sounds) it would not fucking work!
I later got it to work flawlessly in the ending of Dumbass Poets Society 3: The Return, but back to Channel Surfing, I kept trying like a bastard with no result.
So with the deadline looming, I took the lazy way out and just slid her audio file on top of my own which created the cheap fade.
This is one of the very few things that I would go back a fix George Lucas style if I could, because it really bugs the fuck out of me cause I know I can do it better with a little more time.

Credits: Here, just for shits and giggles, I felt it appropriate to revisit Reverend Tim 1 last time for a wee bit more fun.
Then, as my credits and thank you’s rolled, I decided to give @Woody_TESDFan and the @Shoothemoonband gang one more chance to shine and played a bit more of Part Of Life.
Thanks for the great song, lads!


And that’s it gang!
That’s the entire breakdown for this behemoth!
Since you’ve all made it this far, I’ll give you the inside scoop on the next Typecast!
If you follow me on twitter (@ThatScoobyDoom & @TSDJAProduction) you’ll know I’ve been teasing that it would be late this month because it’s being “worked on”…that’s because Typecast 16 will be another PODCAST!!!
That’s right kids, @Fitzman73 is hard at work editing our next conversation together.
Look for it real soon!

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You never know how much it can help.
Thank you for reading, I’ll see you real soon right back here!

Typecast #15: Do You Really Meme It?

Hey gang, welcome back!
Yesterday (October 5th) was the 1 year anniversary of @SpiderScooby helping me launch this site (read the first official post here).
And man, what a year it has been!

I’ve gotten over 3,000 total views & over 1,600 total visitors from 25+ countries.
15 Typecasts, about half of my videos broken down, and a lot of stories shared.
A big thank you to everybody who has been a part of making the 1st year of this site as big as it’s been.
Now onto the future…or today at the very least.

Today’s Typecast has more variety than even Typecast #2 did.
And who is my guest for this momentous occasion?
Well, he IS the master of the Meme, the Helper of Hollywood, one half of @IrvingsBasement and probably half of my Twitter followers!
You all know him, you all love him, he is @MemeEmSteveDave!

As always, his name (@MemeEmSteveDave) will appear in red and link to his podcast, The LP Lexicon Podcast, which you can find at http://lexiconpod.blogspot.com.

All spelling and grammatical errors appear just as they were made simply to maintain honesty.

Take it away me!

ThatScoobyDoom: I think you’ve made it pretty clear that you dig the Tolkien stuff, how did you come by all of that?

@MemeEmSteveDave: I forgotten about this for the longest time, but I was working with a guy in Manchester, England, England … and he used to talk about Fellowship all of the time (I think The Two Towers movie was just about to be released), so he piqued my interest, and I simply went out and bought Fellowship.
I loved it right away.
Beautifully shot, awesome actors, and the film score … Holy crap, How man hours has that score kept me entertained.
From thereon in, I had to buy anything Tolkien-esque, which I did.
When I love something, I have to buy everything that I can which I find, so for the next few years, I bought whatever I could, and it still holds dear to me, even after all these years.

As a side note, the Harry Potter movies were being released at the same time, and I felt that, as it was so big over here in the UK, it was misguided and upon seeing elements which obviously had roots in Tolkiens mythology, I detested it from the get-go.
One day, I had a rare day off from work and was ill on the sofa.
I had just cancelled my satellite TV subscription and had 28 days viewing left (It was cancelled because I never used it), and the first Potter movie was beginning, so I thought “I’ve blasted this franchise with my friend all of this time, so I’ll watch one to see how accurate my judgement was.
Well, same again.
Watched it.
Loved it.
Bought everything that I could.
If it has roots in Tolkien’s mythology, it’s not theft, as I originally thought.
We call it ‘homage.’


ThatScoobyDoom: So let me get this straight, you’ve only been into it for like 13 years? That’s interesting, because the way it’s talked about here in the states, at least in my experience, is that that shit is drilled into you guys from an early age.
They act like that shit is your version of Batman/Superman/Spider-Man etc, your modern myths.

I’m the same way, if I get into a show, movie, franchise, I go looking for all the tie-in shit immediately.
Books, games, comics, magazines, whatever I can find to feed the beast.

So did you get all of the books right away and compare to the movies?

Don’t get me started on Potter, we’ll be here for a good long while!
I dig LotR, but I fuckin’ DEVOUR Potter!

@MemeEmSteveDave: Yeah, man!
The movies did it for me, but in school, we were never really introduced to Tolkien.
What I did learn later on, is that many people in prison like it, due to its escapist properties, and I think Potter is the same time way.
You get taken away from the woes and drudgery of real life, and can focus your mind on something else for a spell (pun intended).

Tolkien was an Inkling, along with CS Lewis, and the way they created was very interesting inasmuch as that they wanted to read these folk stories that never existed so they had to write them.
Personally, I feel that it’s a great way to create.

I bought the books right away, and was happy with how the movies were produced, in comparison for Rings.
Potter, on the other hand, always felt like a slight disappointment when I was leaving the theater because they cut so much out, to keep the run time decent.
For me, Goblet, Phoenix, Half-Blood Prince and Hallows should all have been split into two movies, like Hallows was.
Hallows was such an enjoyable cinema experience (incidentally, I am taking my two sons to The Magical World of Harry Potter in 10 days).

I just got the Kingsman trade paperback, because I have absolutely fuckin’ devoured that movie.
Have you seen it, yet?
I think it’s probably the best movie I have seen in a long while.

ThatScoobyDoom: That is so counter to what they make it seem like in the media.
I’m honestly surprised by that, never would’ve guessed it.
I can totally see inmates loving both, and if you include the in universe books from Potter that J.K. has done for charity it kinda adds a depth to that story that not many franchises get.
Harry and Ron talk about Quidditch Through The Ages and you can pull that off a shelf and read it yourself, with hand scrawled note from Harry and Ron…it’s nuts!
I’m not much into the other books of Tolkien (I’ve read The Hobbit & half of Fellowship), did he do in universe texts or was the rest of his work adding history to Middle Earthimage


Yeah, I remember hearing a quote from Tolkien where he said that England has a rich history that goes back many centuries, but when it comes to folklore, mythology, and tales of fiction they have King Arthur…and well, that’s pretty much it.
So he set out to change that.
Some would call that arrogance, I call it smart.
George Lucas did the same thing with Star Wars, and even American Graffiti, he saw a gap and felt he could fill it.
Shit, to invoke yet another passion we share, Kev Smith did the same fuckin’ thing with Clerks and the View Askewniverse.

With Rings they did it right, the did 2 hour cuts for theatrical, but the did extended cuts for home video.
Even if Potter hadn’t been split from Goblet on (which I totally agree they should have) they should have at least done extended cuts, and I don’t mean extended cuts like Stone and Chamber got where they had 12 minutes of extra footage, I mean 30+ minutes of extra shit to tell the whole bloody story the way it damn well needs to be told.
Hallows is the single greatest film of the Potter film franchise because they had the balls to let it breath.
It needed to be 4 and a half hours.

I haven’t seen it, but everybody keeps polishing it’s balls.
I have heard it has a stellar cameo from Mark Hamill, which I’m sure everybody reading this knows how I feel about Mark, so I definetly want to see it.
I’ve not been able to see many new movies the last few years though.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Tolkien had tonnes and tonnes of notes, backstory, etc. which formed the Histroy of Middle Earth from it’s inception right through to the Fourth Age (When the Ring was destroyed).
Of course, The Hobbit is where people begin, and a surprising amount of people can’t finish Fellowship, so don’t feel bad.
Once you get onto the journey, you’re away until the End, it’s awesome.
I love the Appendices of LotR, which tells of what happened to everyone in the Fourth Age.

But behind all of that was Tolkien’s notes which were released some years later in a book called The Silmarillion.
What happened with you with Fellowship, happened to me with The Silmarillion.
I got halfway and about gave up.
I forced myself to go back and I finished it, and it’ll be the greatest Tolkien movie never made.
I would absolutely love to see that in movie form, but it seems that it will never happen; the Tolkien family don’t appreciate the movies, it seems.


Here in England, we don’t have a great deal of folk-lore.
Our folklore is now LotR, which could be anyone’s folklore, it’s justhat the writer was British.
J.K. Rowling created an incredible universe, and a wonderfully told story which will be loved for years to come, too, and I often wondered what she would do after Potter.
The series that she is working on now is as good, and equally enjoyable, and it’s a great feeling heading out once a year to buy a new Rowling book (Even though it doesn’t have her name on the front cover).
I am, of course, referring to the Cormoran Strike novels. J.K. Rowling was always a detective writer at heart, only now she doesn’t mask it.
As of now, there is two books, with a third being released in October.
I hope there is an underlying arch-enemy.
Nothing has been mentioned at this point.
For every Potter, Baggins, Skywalker and Eggsy Unwin (just to whet you’re appetite), a Lord Voldemort, Sauron, Darth Vader and Richmond Valentine (Yeth, motherfucker!) is necessary.

I’m going to link you to a 3 minute video of Kingsman.
Watch it, and let me know exactly what you think. https://vimeo.com/126552945

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, the thought, effort, time, energy, and shear amount of work that he put in to it all is astounding.
He’s got a richly detailed way about his prose, The Hobbit itself is just so much fun and enveloping with amazing depth, but I’ll tell you why I didn’t finish Fellowship, and it’s sad really.
I have a 4 book box-set that starts with The Hobbit so, naturally, given the obvious fact that it’s set before LotR, I read it first and it has a wonderful pace.
Then I started Fellowship, and it felt like it was written by a completely different author.
Suddenly, the read gets frustrating because he goes into far too much detail for his own good.
It feels like he takes a page and a half to describe a blanket draped over a chair in the corner…that has no impact on the story what so ever.
It’s written beautifully but I was like “who gives a flying fuck? ‘There’s a blanket over a chair in the corner’ is all we need, move the fuck on!”.
He got far too detailed to the point that it became detrimental and distracting, I had to put it down.

The Silmarillion has always been confusing to me, some say it is and in universe text that the characters have access to, but others make it seem like a prose effort breaking down the stories of the verse beyond just Middle Earth, which appears to my understanding to be just a state or country in the world.

Sadly, I’ve not been able to read any of her post Potter product.
I know The Casual Vacancy was well received and I believe it is being made into an HBO (not that one!) mini-series.
I didn’t know that her book under her pen name was part of a series or that she’s even released a follow up to it.
But I do remember the veil being pulled back on her on that one though, it was pretty funny.
The reviews were astonished by this new upstart writer that had such skill, breadth, and ability.
I believe one review said his way with words was the best the world had seen since Rowling, and somebody took that comparison seriously and connected the dots, right?
She said she wanted to see if she could write something without hype or attention and make any wave and got busted because she’s too good.
I’d love to burn through that shit.

That was fucking brutal!
Holy shit on a stick, choreographed to perfection.
I imagine that that scene from the second webisode of Daredevil is something similar based on the praise I’ve read.
Seriously though, that is fuckin’ poetry in motion!
I wanted to see it before but shit!

@MemeEmSteveDave: A couple of years ago, I started to get into audiobooks, and I mentioned this on either one or both of the ThatMan on FatMan episodes that I was on; audiobooks make a good book great, and a great book awesome.
That level of detail is unnoticed when being read by someone.
I did pick up on that, first time I read Return of the King in regard to locations et al.
Jim Dale reading Harry Potter is astounding.

The Casual Vacancy has already been released on DVD.
I do love the book, and it’s great to see Rowling writing for an adult audience but some of the themes mentioned … Holy crap, dude.
Talk about traumatic.
I can’t stomach child death, and when that was flung in there … It’s kind of a downer.


Two Cormoran Strike novels have been released; The Cuckoo’s Calling and The Silkworm.
A third book, Career of Evil is coming out in October.
She has hinted that there could be eight or more books.
Talk about engaging characters … It’s excitement that I haven’t felt in books since Hallows.

I’m looking forward to Spectre this year, did you see the trailer, yet?
I love the new Bond movies.
Quantum was filmed where I got married in Chile, where my wife and my eldest son were born.

ThatScoobyDoom: I have a few audiobooks, 100% agree.
I have a Star Wars novel and the 1st Potter, the SW novel is interesting because it has music and sound effects, really takes advantage of the LucasFilm library of sounds in a great enriching way.
Potter is great too because Dale is somehow able to make all of those voices distinct enough that it’s not anywhere near confusing.
A masterstroke!

Shit, it’s out already?
I’m so out of touch it ain’t even funny.
Oh, so she gets that dark?
I can’t say I’m surprised by that, honestly.
After she had the fetus Voldemort in Deathly Hallows – which, lets be real, the movie made that more horrific than I ever imagined it.
Covered in blood and what not, holy shit – all bets were off, she made it clear she wasn’t writing just for kids with that one.
She’s always said she wasn’t writing for kids.

8 books, shit!
If anybody can do it it’s her.
Speaking of 8 books, Chris Columbus recently said he’d love to do a movie about the Potter trio as adults.
1. Would you like to see that?
2. Would you like to see her write another Potter book?

I did not, nets throttled.
I’ve only seen Casino Royale, but it was fuckin’ awesome!
I really wanna see the other 2.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Yes, sir.
It passed me by, too, to be honest.
Here at Lexicon Towers, we hardly watch any TV, but we do love film.
I was out shopping one day and stumbled across it.
It’s nicely filmed though, I just dread reaching the end.

Yeah, I’d love to see that.
JK Rowling has touched upon what the trio would be doing in this day and age, sporadically, though Pottermore.
There is also the play (Which isn’t a prequel} Harry Potter and the Cursed Child which is being released in London next year.
I’d be down with seeing that.

Casino Royale was awesome.
I was unsure what to expect because I hadn’t paid much attention to the recent Bond movies, and I was suitably impressed.
Same with Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall.
Incidently, I work in the motor industry, so it’s great to see our cars make their way onto film, especially when the movie is so good.
Skyfall surpassed mere Bond, in my opinion.
Such a great, well-filmed, terrific movie.
It shows a part of London which I know, too.
I only ever see it as a tourist, so it’s great to see that aspect of London shown in such circumstances.


So tell me, Scoobs .. what is the film history from where you live.
Any filming locations near, or movie ties?
I’m interested.

ThatScoobyDoom: I like all forms of filmed entertainment, I’ve always looked at TV as a film franchise anyway.
The pilot is is the first movie and every episode after is just a sequel.
Some good sequels, some back.
But to me it’s all the same.

I’d only want it if she released a wealth of material on it.
Which, knowing how she is, she has it but just hasn’t organized it in any great way.
That play sounds very interesting, I don’t buy that it can’t be turned into a book though.
Books are far easier to present stories than any other medium.
I think that a comic book would probably be the best way for her to present stories, and can you imagine the attention it would bring to have a true literary icon like her do a comic?

Solace picks up moments after Casino, right?
I think I’ll be disappointed in Skyfall if only for the fact that the kill off Dame Judi, I’ve thought she was insanely awesome since As Time Goes By.
I kept hoping they’d get her into Potter, but alas they missed their chance.

Do you remember that James Spader movie White Palace from 1990?
It was filmed just a few blocks from the hospital I was born at.
That George Clooney movie from a few years back Up In The Air was filmed in part around here, maybe just at the airport.
But nothing huge that I can think of.
Our local government isn’t very supportive of Film and TV, they don’t want to give the tax breaks so productions go elsewhere.
It’s insanity to me, because it they would allow them to show off some of the shit it would bring in tourism, but you know politicians.
Not too fuckin’ swift.

@MemeEmSteveDave: As a teenager I wasted my life in font of the TV, it wasn’t until I bought my own place when I was 20 that I realized, a) this place is expensive and b) I’m spending all of my time at work, so I decided to cut TV and do something productive with my time .. it was making music back then, something I still do albeit sporadically.
Job, wife, kids, etc. make recording hard, but I still have the Lexicon Pod which goes up every Sunday evening, so I still feel I’m putting something out there.
We are coming up to our one year episode in a month or so, and I’m looking forward to that.
Why have you not podded yet, sir?

The reason I asked about nearby filming locations is because here in Liverpool, various TV and movie productions pass through filming parts of the city.
Captain America, Guy Ritchie’s Sherlock Holmes, Peaky Blinders, even Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows had parts filmed here (Harry and Hagrid on Sirius’ old bike in the tunnel, FYI).
Years ago, there was a cult TV Series filmed right at the bottom of the street where I used to live, called Boys From The Blackstuff, which had a young Bernard Hill.
Peter Jackson saw that and cast Bernard Hill as Theoden in Lord of the RIngs, to bring it back to Ring-speak.

I think if JK Rowling did a comic, that would be cool.
Would she do it?
I don’t know, but once every so often she’ll throw out a pop-culture reference which will knock me on my arse, so she can always surprise.

Solace picks up mere moments after Casino Royale ends.
And how great it is, too.
I was lucky enough to see it in the cinema, and those experiences I always keep with me.
This is why I am so looking forward to Spectre.
As our mature British actors arc gracefully into their latter years, it’s always interesting to see what roles are offered them, and how they perform.
Look at Ian McKellen, John Hurt, and yes, Dame Judi and Helen Mirren.
Once it’s committed to magnetic tape, it’ll be around forever.

Governments can be awesome or stupid when it comes to culture.
Luckily, the UK Government has realized that our best export of the past 50 years has been culture, so it’s readily available and well-promoted.
For example, when lived abroad, the Government wasn’t too bothered by culture and taxed the Hell out of everything cultural.
But hey, cigarettes were cheap.

I just watched Big Hero 6 this week.
My eldest son is huuuge into Disney at the moment, and I bought both my boys a Baymax each.
Sure, the films are created to shift merch, but I don’t care.
I like merch.

ThatScoobyDoom: I wanna ask you about your pod in just a bit, but first why I ain’t got one.
There are a few reason why, but most importantly would be that I don’t have reliable Internet.
I know if I had reliable internet I could do a pod with fuckin’ anybody who wanted to talk over Skype.
I’ve had 3 folks ask me to be on their pods but I don’t have room on my phone for Skype so I’ve had to turn them down.
And trust me, it pisses me off that I can’t because I realize that if I could, if nothing else, it would be great promotion for this site and my videos.
Then there’s the equipment I don’t have, I record my videos on a mic that I got with Rock Band for PS3.
It’s decent, but it has a buzz that gets really annoying really fast.
Then there would be my lack of knowledge, I’m not the most technologically savvy dude in the world.
I’ve been told it’s simple to upload them and shit, but I do all my shit through apps on my phone now and that’s simple.
I tried uploading the first Dumbass Poets Society (featuring your Irvings Basement partner J Sarge) from my laptop like 4 or 5 times and I couldn’t get it to work.
I said here on the site in my 2nd anniversary that my plan was to have a pod up and running by the time my 3rd anniversary of doing all this shit comes around on May 27th 2016, but the way it’s looking that’s not gonna happen.
I need somebody local as a pod partner.
At this point, I can really only do a Franken pod like the one Fitzman and I did for Typecast 9.

Even if you take Film & Television out of the equation, you Liverpudlians have a lot of cultural heritage in music.
Most famously, and I’m sure you guys get tired of hearing it, with the Beatles.
That dude what played Theoden King was fuckin’ bad ass.


It makes sense for her to do one too.
It’d be a new medium for her, it’d last for many years which would make sure Potter stayed in the public consciousness, not to mention the benefits for the comic industry.
Which ever company (probably DC given the pre-existing Warner ties) got that book would get Oprah rich!

I wanna see that bastard (Solace)!
Ya’ll have some fuckin’ brilliant actors over there too!
Cleese (Bond vet I believe) & Idle are known for comedy but are both just great, well rounded, super talented actors, it was awesome seeing Cleese in Potter and I always hoped they’d get Idle but…
As for McKellen, he’s gotten more high profile work since he went gray than ever before, so there’s that.

Well, the same can be said for us here in the States, our greatest export is entertainment.
Why every State isn’t supportive of it is the reason why a lot of American productions, especially TV, are shot in fuckin’ Vancouver.

Awww, I wanna see dat too!

@MemeEmSteveDave: You gotta pod, man, it’s the easiest and most rewarding thing I the world.
My friends at The Attack of the 50 Foot Nerds podcast record everything via Skype.
If it drops out, it drops out and you edit it out afterwards.
The first Impractical Jokers pods were recorded on a rock band mic, and they all shared the same mic, and I myself have used one to record music.
It’s all part of the journey, the learning curve and building an audience.
I think that’s the best advice I can give to you.
If you don’t do it today, you’ll never do it.

You are a creative person anyway, so once you start, you’ll be amazed at how you didn’t begin before.
I’ve appeared on a few pods now, and it’s always humbling to be asked.

I love The Beatles, man.
That was the group which started me on my musical journey all those years ago.
You dig ’em?
What music are you into, sir?

ThatScoobyDoom: Well, like I said, I dipped my toes into the podding waters with Fitzman.
We had a conversation just like this then recorded our parts and he edited it together and released it on the JJ2End feed.
Folks seemed to have liked it, I hope to do that again soon.
He and I have kicked around trying to get together and do one, but as of now nothing has materialized.
I hope we can change that soon though.

I know, man.
It’s something I desperately wanna get into.
It was shocking the first time I was asked.
I’d only don like 12-15 of my vids and I got an offer and at first I was fuckin’ gob smacked.
It’s beyond humbling.
I was just out of my mind thinking “why the fuck would they want me?” because I just have a respect for the medium as a whole, probably because being a Talk Radio host seems like the most primo job on this ruddy rock.
Especially if you just talk easy shit like entertainment and pop culture.

I was never a huge Beatles fan, not saying I was ever like “fuck duh Beedles, fuck um up duh ash” either.
I respect them and their contributions to music, but I just tend to lean towards the harder shit.
My musical tastes are sorta eclectic at times, but for the most part, especially recently, I just stick to listening to AC/DC.
Fuck, as I type this I’m half watching the Let There Be Rock concert movie.
I listen to alot of 70’s & 80’s rock bands though.
KISS, Aerosmith, Ozzy, Motley Crue, Queen, Journey, Foreigner, Lynyrd Skynyrd, this is the shit I grew up listening to on the radio (94.7, KSHE 95) and it stuck with me.
I’m also a huge Weird Al fan, I love the sound of a bagpipe, & I like some classical type shit.
I’m all over the map really, but at the top of the heap always is AC/DC.
Folks get tired of my talkin’ AC/DC on twitter, but I mean the line Mal had years ago about them doing just street level workin’ man type of shit appeals to me.

What’s the type of shit you like to just kick back and spin?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Well, a quick look through the Lexicon episodes is enough to show exactly what we listen to … alt.rock, indie, singer-songwriters, psych, 60’s, 70’s, 90’s, punk … it’s a broad range. I think the point of the podcast is that you should try different types of music, because there is always something you can relate to, or something you might like which you never realised before. o be honest, it’s my take on the state of the music industry today, music theory, and trying to introduce our audience to something awesome. 

We play the album on my iPod, and listen to it, and have a discussion as it plays. It’s coming up to a year in September. (If you promise to keep it quiet, I’ll show you something … I’ve took the cover of each album we have done and put it in a file. When it’s complete, in time for our 1 year episode, I’m going to have it printed off and I’ll give it to my wife as a reminder of the great time we have spent together. I’ve attached what I have up to now FOR YOUR EYES ONLY! Hahaha).
Also see attached to see how much we have left to cover in the Lexicon.


Yeah, it’s been great fun.
I started a new job just before Christmas, and I like that we can record constantly on Sunday evening. I’ve fell behind on absolutely everything else, mind … Irving’s Basement .. there’s stuff in the can and to be done, but it’s finding the time .. HBOHelper blog is weeks behind. I’m just busy. LP Lexicon is my only vice at the moment.

ThatScoobyDoom: How did it come about?
Have you tried podcasting before?
Because I honestly think your pod has one of the most interesting concepts I’ve ever heard, basically a music commentary pod.
So fuckin’ cool.

This won’t go up until probably early September or early October, so you’re safe.
Holy shit on a shingle!
That’s alot of fuckin’ CD’s and shit, dude!!!


Have you guys not skipped a week?
That’s quite a feat, congrats.

I wanna ask you about that too, how did the whole HBO Helper thing come about?

@MemeEmSteveDave: I’d podded on the Attack of the 50ft Nerds pod a few times, and I’d been on ThatMan on FatMan, too.
I’d always enjoyed it and I had edited best of episodes of TESD and HBO (I have a cameo on HBO Secret Origins 3), so editing was never really a problem.
I’d been doing it for years with music. 


One day, I was thinking about a music commentary pod, and my wife asked if she could do it with me.
She got the ol’ “If we do this, you need to be commited,” speech, and from then, we was.
We haven’t skipped a week, per se, we had a week off one week, but had multiple episodes previously, so it’s about right.

I knew I had a good idea when I thought of it, the night we recorded out debut episode, I went on Attack of the 50ft Nerds, too, and when I explained the concept of the podcast, their reaction was inspiring.

HBOhelper came around in Sept. 2011.
I was relistening to the episodes from the beginning, and I figured that some of the old news stories which Ralph and Kevin talked about were lost in the internet now, so I set about recording them on a blog, very similar to FindEmSteveDave (Which I also helped out with, later on).
After I did the first episode, Ralph started to follow me, and plug the blog on HBO.
It was a great time.
As mentioned, I used the notes I took to create the Secret Origins episodes, and when I met Kev last July, I told him I was the HBOhelper and he was like “Shit, you’re famous, dude!” which made me laugh.
I’ve fell behind on my blog for the last few weeks, which I hate to do.
I’ll catch up eventually, but I’m struggling for time at the moment.

ThatScoobyDoom: How did you get hooked up with 50ft Nerds and ThatMan?
Was it just common fandoms?

BTW, those Secret Origins eps are perfect ways to intro folks to HBO.
As you well know, I’ve asked you a few times to send me the links on twitter so I could forward them to somebody who wanted to listen but felt like the missed the boat because of all the references and shit.
You did primo work with those, man.

I’m telling you dude, I think it’s fuckin’ genius!
I’d kill to do something similar for movies and TV, just a pod of commentaries for shit I like.
You inspired that idea because yours is just so fuckin’ pimp.

Oh, I remember hearing them talk about it.
Once again, I had a moment where I just stopped and thought “fuck! This is a brilliant goddamn idea that I wish I’d thought of!” because it’s just so fuckin’ cool, man.
To catalog the news, bits, and assorted goofiness.

Which is why I appreciate all the more you takin’ the time to do this!

@MemeEmSteveDave: 50ft Nerds followed my Meme ’em account on twitter and I live about 15 minutes away from one of the hosts.
Scott asked me to go on FatMan one day, really early on, but I think I wasn’t able to make it on until Episode 14.
But yeah, common fandoms in TESD and Kev.

I loved putting the Secret Origins episodes together.
It takes a VERY LOOONG time, but I was please with how it turned out. 

Sometimes an idea hits you and you just have to run with it.
If you don’t you will forget it.
That’s what happened with HBOHelper and the LP Lexicon.
You understand that anyway, because you have your videos and your TypeCast, which is awesome.

What have you got planned for the future?
Anything you can divulge?

ThatScoobyDoom: I hadn’t planned to ask you this, but since your the only person I’ve talked to in this medium that’s met him, what was it like meeting Kev?
I know that he’s a huge hero for you the same way he is for me.

They were awesome, man.
Do you have a favorite HBO moment or bit?

Yes, I totally get it.
It’s happened many times to me.
And if you don’t forget, it, what ever IT may be, tends to haunt you until you do something about it.
I have a few of those haunting things now.

Hmm, that’s a good question…I plan to stretch and try new shit.
I have a few more Bat videos coming that I plan to tie together into 1 big multi-part, multi-perspective, multi-layered story.
I even have a love story (stop giggling!) planned.
I’ve got even more sequels coming, and I plan to finish off my Star Wars story in spectacular fashion.
I said in my 2 year post that I wanted to have a pod up and running by my 3 year anniversary, but I’m not quite sure that’ll happen.
I have a few other things I want to get done with a few other folks, but I don’t really wanna say just incase they fall through.
I don’t want a painful reminder.

How about yourself?
What does the future hold for the Lord of the Memes?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Oh, he was so cool, man.
I’ll tell you about it.
Saw HBO in London last year, with a couple of guys of the Attack of the 50ft Nerds.
Show was fun, and afterwards I went for a pint with ol; Declan ‘Creaky Knees’ Quinn.
When I came back Super Groovy Cartoon Movie was on, and then a short Q&A.
We had to clear out pretty quickly and there was a short queue outside to try to catch Kev outside.
I was talking to Declan all the while, who was inside, and we waited for aaaages, and eventually Declan came out.
We went to try to get another drink but by this time, everything was closed, but as we walked past the queue again, Kev was clearly visible outside so we headed over.
He was there, with Jay, and Jen was in the vehicle, I believe.
I waited a little and asked Jay if we could take a photo.
He was very friendly, and posed for photos with myself and my friends.
Very sweet guy.
Then I saw Kev was free, so I went over and asked if I could have a photo.
I told him about HBOhelper, as per above, and he was very friendly.
He took a couple of photos, to get the best light and complimented me on my TESD shirt.
He makes you feel at ease and talks to you, and leaves you feeling very positive afterwards. 


When I had met people whose stuff I dug before, there was always a kind of comedown afterwards, as it sunk in that you’d probbably never see them again.
Not the case with Kev.
I felt great afterwards, and i think it was the best meeting I ever had (and this comes from someone who met Quentin Tarantino).

Favourite HBO bit … Mmmm, if it made it into the Secret Origins, it was because I loved it, but I’ll say when Ralph did Christoher Walken discussing Natalie Wood.
That shit was gold. 

‘Love story.’ {giggle}.

Mmm … for me, I think the future is going to be as busy as my job lets me be.
I had a quick word with JSarge regarding some Irvings Basement stuff we’ve recorded this morning, and I’m planning to bring HBOhelper back up to date.
I’ll get there!
But my true vice is buying music, so I’m always looking for new material for the Lexicon.
I bought some stuff today (Deftones, Nine Inche Nails, Eagles of Death Metal), and I’ll get some in London, too, I’m sure.  

ThatScoobyDoom: It’s good to hear that.
I talked with JTF (the worthless shithead) and he told me about seeing Red State with the Q&A after, and while he never met the dude, he had good a good experience…despite having poo in his eye.
Kev is one of the few celebrities I’d actually like to meet and you never hear of folks meeting him and coming out the other end going “you know who’s a real piece of shit? Kevin Smith. He laughed at my limp, pushed me down to the ground, and carved out my spleen.” he really seems like a genuinely nice dude…unlike JTF who is a douche.
Yes, twice I smacked JTF.

I’m trying to think about a favorite Babble Bit myself, I may hafta go with Creepy Clown Time and it’s various incarnations.
That really shows off Ralph’s talent and skill as a voice actor, something I deeply admire.

Lets talk a bit about Irving’s Basement.
First and foremost, where did the name come from?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Ah, @JoinedToFollow … What an absolute twat.

All those Babble bits which went on to have their own segments were awesome … Creepy clown.
Babble story time. Inappropriate Toys.
The origins where the greatest.
Remember hearing the Fries Girl for the first time.
I damn near pissed myself laughing.

Irving’s Basement … I don’t know if we ever mentioned where the name came from, but it’s a Fight Club reference.
When Fight Club moves from the car park and into the basement of the bar, the guy who runs the bar was called Irving, and basically, Irving’s Basement was where Fight Club was held until it moved to Paper Street.

So there you have it!
An exclusive.
Pop yer monocle back in.

ThatScoobyDoom: He is…he really is…not a snappy dresser either…not a snappy dresser…

Yes, and Kev’s crys of “you’re goin’ ta hell, dude!” made it even funnier.
Remember the special ed teacher who said she loved the Fry Girl?
That was a bit awkward…which made it even funnier!
I remember Ralph making the promise back in the first 10 episodes or so to get Kev and Seth MacFarlane together.
I still wanna see that happen!

Mystery motherfuckin’ solved up in this bitch.
That’s cool, man.
This isn’t gonna post for a few months so we gotta keep that under wraps!
So, how did you and the Rock Star that is good sir @TheJSarge hook up to form @IrvingsBasement?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Well, I always loooved Argus (The TESD theme), and befriended JSarge in the early days of TESD.
I wanted to work with him on something because we had many ideas about music, but I recall that he was occupied at the time.
I was living in South America, and had time to spare seemingly and one day he sent me a demo of a track he had wrote, to see if I’d like to work on it.
The result was Bezlotek on my Mind: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CYqBhh4ciKM 

I played the guitars and made the video on a road trip close to where I was living.
JSarge did everything else.
From then on in, we’d record on and off, depending on our work/ family situations.

You dig, Scoob?

ThatScoobyDoom: How long have you guys been working together officially as Irving’s Basement?
And would I be right in guessing you guys still haven’t met in person?

That video is fuckin’ entrancing dude!
I’ve not heard everything you guys have done, but what I have heard it (I hate to say it again, but it fits) is so fuckin’ rhythmically entrancing it’s kinda soothing/calming and I find myself sorta zombified in a way.
Just slowly nodding my head.
It ain’t AC/DC, but it sure is fuckin’ good…so good I had to ask youse guys if I a could borrow a song for one of my vids.

I don’t know if you’ll remember, but can you tell me how you guys came up with Comfort Problems?
Cause I really dig that song alot.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Mmm … As for that, it was the same kind of thing.
JSarge sent me a demo, and I worked on it.
We have a couple of different versions, aside from the final one.
I had one which was loud as Hell.
I’ll have to dig that out sometime.

Irving’s Basement has been going since about the beginning of 2012.
We have never met as JSarge lives all the way over there, and I am across the pond, and even when I lived across the pond, it was wayyy south of the States, and next to the other pond (The Pacific). 

ThatScoobyDoom: Is it normal for you guys to have a few versions of a song?

I ask because it fascinates me.
I’ve collaborated with folks from all of the world myself, people that I will never meet.
It’s always interesting for me to see how and talk to talented fuckers that don’t let distance or vast bodies of water stop them from coming together and completing a project.
3 years?
Shit, that’s cool.

So before we wrap this up, I wanna get back to that which was the whole reason I brought you in, Lord Of The Rings, for just a bit.
I mentioned the extended editions earlier and I wanted to ask if you, like so many including meself, prefer those to the theatrical cuts?

@MemeEmSteveDave: It’s quite normal to record several versions of tracks, before I send everything over, and a final version is mastered.
The Bezlotek EP features the original version, the Morricone version, (A spaghetti western inspired version) and Bezlotek Ice which is over 30 minutes long. 

And so, to The Rings … ‘say what you will about Jesus, but leave the Rings alone!’ Yeah, the Extended cuts are my absolute favourites.
I can hardly watch the theatrical cuts anymore, because of what is missing from the extended cuts, and the same goes for The Hobbit.
I have the extended versions of Rings on blu now, which is beautiful.
I remember Mewes talking about it on Twitter one day, and he said “LotR on blu is incredible,” or something to that effect, and I was like, “How incredible can it be?” SO I went out and bought a blu-ray player to find out, and sure enough, it’s pretty incredible. 

When I saw The Hobbit for the first time, I was like, “It was OK,” but when I saw the extended cut, it took me back to feeling how I felt when the LotR movies were released.
The Desolation of Smaug extended cut is particularly astounding.
Gandalf in Dol Goldur … that stuff was left out of the theatrical cut.
How dare they?!
I can’t wait for the extended Battle of the FIve Armies, and I think that may be it.
As stated earlier, I don’t think Tolkien’s estate will allow the making of any more movies, which is a shame.
Some of The Silmarillion shuff is beautiful, but seems, confined to remain on the printed page forevermore.

ThatScoobyDoom: 30 minutes long?
Holy shit!!!
That sounds like a melodic wet dream.

I’ve…I’ve never actually seen the theatrical cut of Fellowship.
My dad liked the books but for some reason we never got it when it came out, I don’t remember when we got the Extended exactly but I watched it sometime before Two Towers came out and it was unlike anythink I’d seen before.
Towers dropped and I got it and was disappointed at the lack of development/character moments, few months later a neighbor moved in that had Two Towers extended and let me borrow it.
It was a revelation!
I quickly learned to just stick to the Extendeds.

I (sadly) haven’t seem any of the Hobbit movies, but does it bother you AT ALL that they split the shortest book in 3?
Because I STILL see motherfuckers bitching about it.

I also see so called “Tolkien purists” who complain they changed the story just to make it line up more with Rings, can you shed some light on that?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Yeah, 30 minutes long. It’s an interesting take on Bezlotek, and  it’s available to hear, here: https://irvingsbasement.bandcamp.com/album/bezlotek-ep

Before I saw the Fellowship extended, I only had the theatrical version, which I loved and made me fall in love with LotR, so it’s not bad at all.
It’s just I prefer all the extra stuff. 

Well, we discussed Goblet/Phoenix/Half-Blood Prince should have been two movies each, and The Hobbit being made into three movies really pleased me.
Can’t wait for the extended cut in December.
It’s a fact that when anything has been written and will appear on the screen, it won’t be a literal showing of the text.
People don’t like it, but that’s the way it is.
People can moan about the films changing the story of the books to make the story line fit, but The Hobbit was changed once the Lord of the Rings was changed to better fit the story, specifically Bilbo finding the Ring.
It’s actually touched upon in the prologue, presented that Bilbo wrote the original story, and it was later changed to say what had really had happened, s Bilbo had lied to the dwarves about the circumstances of how he found the Ring.

At the end of the day, you have The Hobbit, extra material, and whatever else in about 10 hours of film.
People just like to complain about movies.
For years, there was no Hobbit movie because it was tangled up in legal disputes, and there are movies and projects trapped in Development Hell.
Maybe I try to look at everything too positively (which I do), so I guess you have to watch it and make up your own mind,

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m gonna listen to this soon!

As you said though, it’s hard to go back.
I don’t have the theatrical cut of Fellowship and I’m never gonna get it.
As you and Mewes said, this shit is made for Blu.
I don’t have the blu’s but I hope ta get ’em someday.
Look so good.


I think there is a way to preserve the text and still make a good movie, the first 2 Potters did.
They cut shit, but not enough to effect the story in a bad way.
Prisoner is where they started losing me.

I know man, I’m not immune to bitching myself.
Speaking of that development hell, one of the big start stops had to do with the director.
So where do you stand on Del Toro?
Some were happy he left, others weren’t.
I’ve heard some even say that the first one feels like he directed it because it has his fingerprints all over it.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Azkaban is where I began to get a bit annoyed, too, to be honest.
I loved the darker direction, but all the stuff they cut annoyed the Hell out of me.
Nowadays, it’s seen as a lot of people’s favourite movie, but when I first seen it, I was disappointed that they cut out The Marauders, changes to the story, and even Dumbledore.
I loved Richard Harris, and was never really impressed with Michael Gambons angry take on Dumbledore.

I quite like Guillermo Del Toro.
The guy (kinda) made a live action movie of one of my favourite series of all time: Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Of course, Pacific Rim is not Eva, but almost like it.
I’ll take it.
Do you know NGE?

Del Toro wrote the script, so naturally, his mark has been left on the film.
It’s fine with me.
I’m just happy to have The Hobbit available to see on the big screen.

ThatScoobyDoom: I remember Mosier saying was his favorite, which baffled me.
I’ll never forget the first time I saw it, me and my Mom watched it on DVD and when the credits started to roll she slowly turned to me, blinked like 3 times and says “…what the fuck just happened???”
My simple reply was “I have no idea…AND I READ THE BOOK!!!”
It was my favorite book and they completely gutted all the story points to the point that folks knew shit and you had no clue how they knew shit until like 2 movies later…and everybody in the world was okay with shit just happening with no explination…it was just a clusterfuck of monolithic proportions.
They even made Dumbledore’s office into Remus’ office which really fucked things up.
At that point I sorta just checked out of the movies and just watched as Emma Watson grew more and more stunning…which I have a “signed” headshot of her, I wrote a letter and got that back on Christmas Eve.
Yeah, but by the time they got to Order, I think if they’d left that scene in where Harry goes apeshit and starts destroying Dumbledore’s gizmos and gadgets, angry Albus would have fit.
I missed Harris too, but not like they had a choice.
Crazy Albus we got.

I don’t know it at all, I haven’t seen Pacific Rim either.

I know Jackson had his reasons, but I thought it was weird he didn’t just do it from the jump.
Who knows the big screen version of this world better than him?
He brought it to life before, makes sense that he would again.

Did they get Christopher Lee into Hobbit?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Peter Jackson said during LotR that he would never make a movie trilogy again, from the stress that approaching deadlines caused.
That was why Del Toro was brought in, but as the legal ramifications seemed like they would never be sorted, he had to go as he had other commitments.
Completely understood, but I felt like it should have only been Peter Jackson, anyway.

Christopher Lee was brought in to movie one and three of The Hobbit.
And great he is, too.
What a life he had, man.
Dracula, Scaramanga, Count Dooku, Saruman and whatever else he played.
What an incredible life.
And he was in contact with Tolkien, when he was alive.
If one could achieve a fraction in life of what he achieved, one would have a tale to tell, would they not?

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s the big secret of the film industry right there, deadlines.
Studios impose these hard deadlines and in some cases it turns into you get a movie done…not a movie done well.

Amd don’t forget his metal album!
He’s the type of dude that should’ve had a podcast because as you say, you know that dude had stories on top of stories on top of stories.
From seeing the last public execution im France, to knowing Tolkien, to working with George Lucas (a modern day Tolkien), to doing what had to have been a life long fantasy an being in 5 movies based on the work of Tolkien.
Cause it’s well documented that he was a huge fan of that work, he’d read the Rings books every year for like the last 50 years or some such shit.
So to just ask him “fuck being in it, what was it like to see a movie based on these books you’ve loved for decades dude?”.
The day he died sucked ass.
That day was made worse for Wrestling fans with the loss of Dusty Rhodes.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Very well said, sir … On everything.
Did you hear about the Stone Cold/Rowdy Roddy Piper debacle?

ThatScoobyDoom: Recent?
What happened???

@MemeEmSteveDave: Ask and ye shall receive!


ThatScoobyDoom: Wow!
That’s fucked up!
I just read about it on another site, did you see the 3rd person involved?

@MemeEmSteveDave: No! Who is it?!

ThatScoobyDoom: Dave Thomas, Founder Of Wendy’s!!!
*mic drop*


So I guess you are a fan of the wrasslin’?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Motherfucker.

Haha, yeah.
Foley, Austin, Rock. Attitude era.
Loved that stuff, man. Yourself?

ThatScoobyDoom: AHAHAHAHA!!!
I’m sorry, I had to!

Oh yes, I watched that era growing up and I have almost every PPV from WrestleMania XX to WrestleMania 28 on DVD.
Foley and Austin are awesome, Dwayne I have a distaste for.
But the dude that I’ve always rooted for the hardest would be the Phenom, Undertaker.
I remember being thunderstruck by his entrances as a kid.
Dude is truly a legend if only for maintaining that gimmick that should really be laughed out of the building in 2015…not just maintaining it, but thriving with it.

@MemeEmSteveDave: How strange that yesterday we were speaking about Rowdy Roddy Piper and today he has passed away.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah…I was just about to ask you about that.
How hard did that hit you?

@MemeEmSteveDave: Well, it was a shock because of everything which has happened in the past fortnight.
But I watched between Wrestlemanias 9-19.
Or thereabouts, so that was really after his time, with a few exceptions.
I did like him, though.
Dastardly heel, with a wealth of stories, from an interesting life.
It’s a shame he never got to document it all, aurally, but what he did get down was gold.

ThatScoobyDoom: I had never heard his pod but I might hafta check it out.
I was a bit more than shocked, I’ve recently said he’d be a good replacement for Hogan in the next WWE/Scooby-Doo movie.
I’ve been a fan for years!
They Live was fuckin’ awesome, I actually talked to Fitz about trying to write a TESD Parody of that movie.
But yeah, he and Dusty both were amongst the best talkers in the buisness.
It’s barely sunk in.
Did you see the DVD set they did 6 years or so ago with the doc about him?
Great shit.

@MemeEmSteveDave: I don’t know too much about the guy, but respected what he did.
I listened to his pod for a while, but eventually they all bled into one.
The odd episode will come along which I’ll be into, but aside from that, they’ve kinda all became the same thing.

Wrestling is weird inasmuch as yes, it’s scripted, and yes, Cena blows, but once every so often I’ll get the urge, and it’ll surprise me for a while.
But I never dug Hogan, or a lot of the pre-90’s crowd.
Or post-90’s crowd, now that I come to think of it.
I do love, however, how the podcast is an important part of the wrestling experience.
Absolutely great for the format.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, I know how that goes.

I’ve never understood how wrestling being scripted is a reason to knock it.
Nobody bitched when that recent soul searing documentary by James Cameron turned out to be scripted…I’m of course refering to fuckin’ Avatard!
Who cares if it’s scripted???
That makes it no less valuble than any other form of entertainment.
All I have to say to those dickbrains is NEWSFLASH FUCKHEADS!!!
The Avengers, Jurassic World, Star Wars AND Trek ain’t fuckin’ real either!

You don’t like Cena?
What’s he ever done that was so bad, man?

@MemeEmSteveDave: One watch of Beyond The Mat is enough to show someone exactly how things are run, by whom, and the repercussions.
What a great film.
Personally, I think I am due a rewatch soon.

Cena just pissed me off with his gimmick when he came in.
I started to tire of it, and actually stopped watching for about 7 years.
It’s a shame because his debut match was so good, and full of promise.
Check it, John Cena Vs. Kurt Angle.
Kurt seems genuinely frustrated with this unknown kid, and he did this thing I have only seen once to pick up the win: it’s a sure fire way to pin someone so they can’t get out of it. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=10ivQ3ogO1M

I think I feel about him, how you feel about The Rock.

ThatScoobyDoom: Never seen it, just read Mick Foley talk about it a few times.
Care to explain a bit?

I’ve seen the match.
I know all about RUTHLESS…AGGRESSION!!!
Was impressive.
Hated Cena when he started, the whole Eminem wanna be bullshit just wasn’t for me.
But in 2007 they released that 3 disc DVD about him and I had no interest in it…but here in the states at Circuit City they released it with one of those Fathead poster things for Smackdown Vs Raw 2008 and that had Undertaker on it.
$22 and you get a free Fathead with Taker on it???
Threw the DBD (Dusty tribute right there) aside for a few weeks to collect dust…then I figured “I have it, why not spin it?” so I watched it and from that point on I’ve been a huge fan of his.
He seems like one of the few guys that is genuinely in love with the business and company.
I have insane respect for that.
Folks blame him for his unchanging gimmick and shit but the fact is it’s just not his decision.
As long as he and his gear continue to make MILLIONS for that company, he’ll be that saccharine sweet, squeaky clean, safe for kids dude that the internet hates.

Oh, I highly doubt that.
I detest Dwayne for his constant insulting of WWE and WWE fans in his years away.
Cena wasn’t lying in the build up to WM with all that shit he said about the dude.
When he dropped “The Rock” from his name he got real pissy about it telling folks Rock was just a dead character and all that other shit.
Before he came back everybody else remembered it, now they all drink the punch that he poisons.
And it’s sad, cause I was a huge fan…but now?
He’s just Dwayne to me, I can’t stand to see his fuckin’ face.
Him, Miz, and Hogan can all fuck off.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Beyond the Mat is a documentary showing several types of wrestler.
The Up-and-Comers.
The guy about to get signed (Droz).
The guy on top (Foley), and the guy on the way down (Jake The Snake).
It’s interesting because you see lots of backstage stuff, interviews with WWF brass (Jim Ross), and other aspects of the business that you’d never see anywhere else.
It’s well worth the watch, and it’s heartbreaking at times, especially when you see the Royal Rumble match.

I don’t grudge Rock.
His family is rooted in the business and he moved on, for a while.
I’ve always been entertained by him, and enjoy when he makes an appearance.
Never dug Hogan or Miz, though, so a double- fuck off for them.

Good reading your experience with Cena.
Maybe I should give the dude a chance.
I do like the passion that he has for the business when I’ve heard him on pods.

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, I can imagine.
I’ve wanted to see it since I first heard about it.
It sounds very thorough.
Did you ever see that doc about Bret Hart that ran through the screw job?
You wanna see something riveting, spin that shit…and I don’t like Hart.

He just seemed like he got to big for his britches, as they say.
He started believing his own hype and it’s like “dude, you did The Toothfairy, take it down a notch!”, ya know?

I think if can you look beyond the screen persona you’ll find his worth.
His interview with Austin is great, that right there is a perfect example of his passion.
I mean, shit, he even got divorced because he was more dedicated to WWE.
Watch that My Life doc, good shit.

@MemeEmSteveDave: I used to love Bret Hart.
I think that stuff which happened to him and his family were a shame.
I loved Owen, too, when I was younger.
He was a heel for a majority of the time, but I could look past that, with him, and always appreciated what he did, especially his run with Bret as warring brothers (which I understood a lot).
I’d love to see that documentary, I find the Montreal Screwjob fascinating.
Probably the turning point for wrestling in these later years.
Was it a shoot?
Was it a work?
I don’t know.
Everyone seems to change their stories every other week.
Except the one guy who got shit on. Bret.

ThatScoobyDoom: Bret has always rubbed me the wrong way, I’m not sure why.
But what happened with Owen is definitely up there as one of the worst tragedies to ever befall the buisness, I’d probably put it behind the Benoit Incident and The Screw Job as most impactful.

I tend to side with Vince when it comes to the Screw Job though.
In that time Vince was scared shitless because he’d had guys he thought he could count on piss in his fuckin’ face on live tv by throwing his belts in the trash on the competitions show and shit.
Everybody else (Shawn, HHH, Earl Hebner) were just carrying out Vince’s orders.
It’s a sad truth though, if you get burned so many times by folks you’re gonna start making preemptive strikes.

That’s what the Screw Job was, in a nutshell.
It’s on that same list of impactful incidents, and like the Benoit thing, you can still feel the reverberations from it today.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Yeah, there are things that happen which are still felt years later.
It’s weird, because now the podcast is just as important, in that sense.
In the past, aside from the incidents you mentioned, like the Kliq at MSG, Shaun Michaels getting his ass kicked in NYC and Alundra Blayze throwing the Women’s Championship in the bin on Nitro were what impacted the future.
What has happened recently in the podcast world was CM Punk explaining why he left the WWE (What an enthralling listen), Vince on Austin’s pod, and the aforementioned Austin/Piper debacle.
It’s going to be interesting to see what else happens in the future.
You hear another side to the people you see on TV, once they get going on a pod.

Can you recall anything of note which I might be forgetting?

ThatScoobyDoom: Punk finally explained why he left???
What pod was this on?

I think these guys writing books started us om that road, specifically Foley and Y2J’s books.
I’ve read all 4 of Mick’s books and the last 2 really pull back the curtain on WWE & TNA.
He describes the creative process indepth, details his battles with Vince and why HE left WWE after the announcing job.
After that, you really understand how good the WWE announcers really are.

How great was Austin’s pod with Vince?
Near the end where Vince dropped his dick on the table and said “I own the network, we’re going 10 minutes more”?
Wow, that was fucked up and funny.

I think Austin’s pod has had the most interesting shit for me, HHH breaking down this years Rumble not long after it happened, describing the fans revolt to Reigns winning was riveting!

The only thing I can think of would be Jericho getting Bill Demott on to talk a bit about why he was fired from WWE.
That was pretty interesting and gave me a new perspective on Demott.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Yeah, CM Punk went on Colt Cabana’s podcast, The Art of Wrestling: 226 and returned for an aftermath on 227 (seehttps://soundcloud.com/coltcabana/aow-226-cm-punk and  https://soundcloud.com/coltcabana/aow-227-cm-punk-returns ), and explained everything as to why he left.
Such an intriguing listen, and a look into the WWE of today.
This was unprecedented because he basically blasted almost all the brass at WWE and other talent, and staff, and explained about what happened when he left, and how he got his revenge.

The wrestling book was great, and I especially liked Foleys works because he wrote them all himself, without the aid of a ghostwriter.
Have a Nice Day was an especially great read and remains one of my favourites to this day, and is one of the reasons why i like Foley so much.

I loved Vince’s appearance on Austin’s pod.
It’s a great show because you can hear the real Vince in there, unlike you’ve really heard him before.
Austin said ages ago that he was going to try to get The Undertaker on is pod.
Man, I’d love to hear that.
That would be such a great show, as I’ve heard Austin tell of details of them both on the road in the past which have been hilarious.

I always liked Jericho, too.
As I said before, all the pods began to bleed into one and I had to make cuts, but I still see who is on the new episode, and if it tickles my fancy, I’ll give it a spin.

ThatScoobyDoom: I just listened to that.
Love or hate Punk (and trust me I have issues with him and a bit of what he said), but if you call yourself a fan of Wrestling, Sports Entertainment, WWE, TNA, ROH, any of it, that is must listen shit!

Yes, Foley has always been a favorite of mine too.
He’s one of the only heavy dudes in entertainment that was never just the fat idiot.
I’ve never been one of the folks that was bitchy because I don’t get much representaion in media, but when folks like Foley and Kev popped up I paid attention.
Smart motherfucker that made it in a field that was at a point where it was changing to be against him.
Such an eloquent dude.

It’s gonna happen on WWE network!
They’ve announced Taker will be on sometime this year.
I hope Austin posts it in his pod feed because that’s something I need to hear.
I’ve only seen Taker do 1 real interview and it was on Kimmel in like 2003, so it’ll be very interesting to hear.

Same here.

Damn, we’ve covered alot of shit, man.

@MemeEmSteveDave: I’ve always admired Punk.
Great on the mic, mesmerising in the ring, and I love his attitude.
That pod is very revealing, and I listened to that and the following episode several times.
I found it to be inspiring, and I’ll be interested to see where he goes in his career in the future.
Also, as a ‘small’ guy, he made it huge, which I always like to see.

I’ve enjoyed this Typecast, sir.
I remember when I saw the first one, and I thought ‘That’s a great concept,’ it’s like a pod, but like the transcript of a pod which doesn’t exist.
Guess you’d better start working on the audiobook version!

ThatScoobyDoom: I’ve always flip flopped on him, everything you said is true.
He can rock the stick like few others, he has a great presence, amazing skill, but there’s something about him that strikes me as off…some have said it’s because he has that I Don’t Give A Fuck attitude but I doubt it as I generally share the sentiment.
I really wonder how well the UFC will fit him.

That’s the idea.
Shit, I even talk about it like it’s a real pod.
Awwww, that would be fuckin’ awesome!
To record them all like we did Typecast 9 and release ’em some where, cause I’ve had alot of cool folks on (yourself included, JTF excluded).
As I said earlier, I would love to get one goin’, just gotta figure out how.

@MemeEmSteveDave: Fuck JTF.
Fuck him in his ear!


I wanna say a big thank you to the good sir Meme ‘Em for taking the time to do this.
It took a few times, but I did, man!

If ya want some more Meme ‘Em (and after that how could ya not?) be sure to check out all of his great works.

And be sure to follow a few of his many accounts on Twitter!

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I think that’s it, gang.
As always, the world is a hard place full of shitty people who will be unnecessarily cruel to you.
Fight against that by being a bright light for somebody on a bad day, you’ll never understand how much it can mean.

Thanks for reading and for always coming back, guys.
See ya next time.

Two Years Of TS-D/JA Productions


Today (May 27th 2015) marks 2 full years since I started on this crazy little journey of mine.
A journey full of many many ups and downs, making new friends, creating new stories, learning new skills, and collaborating with cool, interesting, different people from all over the world.

Forgive me if this gets a wee bit rambling, except for that opening and the ending I really don’t have a plan for what I’m going to say here.
I really just wanna mark the occasion.

First, just to remind everybody where this all started, lets take a trip back and watch the one that started it all, Bitch Slappin’ The Wind:

The past 2 years have been among the worst I’ve endured personally.
But creatively?
I’ve flourished!
In a way, I think it’s because with as much bullshit happening that’s been so hard to handle I’ve latched onto this idea of entertaining folks in a way that I hadn’t before.
I honestly think it’s been one of the only things driving me forward these past 2 years.
Sad, but true.
I think I must have said it before on here that putting these goofy little videos together and having somebody say “man, I was having a shit day but I watched (or read) *insert title* and it really picked me up. Thanks.” gives me a fuckin’ charge.
It has even more power when you see where this shit is coming from.
Far reaches of the world, places I’ll never visit in person.
One of the things that’s been fueling me to keep going these past to years is this Kev Smith picture with a quote from the man himself.


And speaking of far reaches of the world, the list of countries that have visited this very site is astounding!
In some cases it was only 1 visitor from said country on a single occasion, but impressive still considering how long this site has been fully operational.(..yes, a Star Wars reference!)

That list of countries, in the order of clicks and the way they appeared in the site stats, is:
USA, UK, Ireland, Canada, Portugal, New Zealand, Australia, Spain, Costa Rica, Mexico, The Russian Federation, Sweden, Germany, Brazil, Serbia, The Philippines, Greece, Romania, Sri Lanka, Italy, Indonesia, and most recently Poland!
Impressive…most impressive.
(Yes, another one!)

When you’re striving to put out a new video every month, you obviously have to come up with new shit and pump it out quick.
One example being Batman: Aftermath (which will be the next How It Happened), it came from seeing a bridge of railroad tracks on a short trip to meet up with a family member.
And I’ve even pulled shit from my past that I’d written before I even knew what a Youtube was.
X-Mas In Da Hood is exactly that, I can’t remember if I said it in that How It Happened or not, but that video is a little ditty I wrote 5-7 years ago.
There’s gonna be a few other pre TS-D/JA Productions stories coming up soon as well, mostly because it is indeed hard to keep coming up with new shit every month.
And if you add in this site, it’s even harder to come up with that monthly content.
Why do you think the Typecast’s have become monthly instead of Bi-Weekly?
It’s hard to find folks to do them with, they take alot of time to do, and they’re a big time eater to assemble.
I’m also pulling shit from the past for here, the abandoned Superman story (which you can read here and here) and I may post an old Scooby story that I gave up on probably 10+ years ago.
And lets not forget my first venture into podcasting (which can be heard here)
Between the videos and this site I’ve been able to attract nearly 8400 total views.
I’ve produced 1 hour 16 minutes and 2 seconds of content, if you include the Pod with Fitz that’s over 1:43:00 of content.
It’s not much, but I did it.

And why did I come up with such a title/banner/name?
Why @NeilGat of course!
I’d had a DM conversation with good Ol Neil (one of many that, and this isn’t a knock against the dude, probably meant way more to me than they ever did too him) and he’d suggested that I needed a banner to put all my shit under instead of just the individual hashtags that I put on every video.
That got me to thinking and I came up with TS-D (for That or The Scooby-Doom) / JA (for my 1st and last name) and I slapped Productions at the end because…well, because I’m producing content!
Simple, easy, why didn’t I think of that from the fuckin’ start???

After all of that, has it been worth it?
You tell me.

Make no mistake, TS-D/JA Productions is a 1 man operation.
Every idea, video, story, and post you’ve seen has for better or worse been 100% my idea, but there is no doubt I could not have built whatever all this has or ever will become on my own.
So, to start wrapping up, I wanna list all the folks who’ve helped me out with the videos.
@NeilGat, @TheJSarge, @ComicWasteland, @Woody_TESDFan/@Shoothemoonband, @FromTheMonkey, @ShariSayz, @ElTankoDeFranko, @SteBoost, @MemeEmSteveDave (he and J Sarge are collectively @IrvingsBasement), @Chundertoons, and @DeQuinn.

And for the folks who’ve helped me out with this site, my thanks go to @TESDGroupie & @ScoobyAddict.
And my deepest thanks go to my brother from another mother @ScoobyFanDotNet/@SpiderScooby & @Fitzman73.
Ross set up this site and Fitz has helped me get more eyes on it than I thought possible just by doing so many Typecasts.

And my final thanks go to @_13Chris for inspiring my Star Wars story, which I will be telling the story of not too long after Episode III drops.
To everybody above, thank you!

And to everybody that has watched one of my videos, read a post on this site, listened to that podcast that Fitz and I did, or has supported any of this shit I’ve done in these last 2 years, Thank You!
If you’ve been there since the beginning and stuck around, Thank You!
If you’ve come on board recently, Thank You!

You maybe wondering what does the future hold?
I’m hoping to get a Podcast off the ground before next May, there are many more videos coming that will be different than anything I’ve done yet, there will be a few sequel videos coming that have new spins on old favorites.

One last time, Thank you all for reading, watching, and sharing

Now, if after 2 years you want to do more to support TS-D/JA Productions than by Reading, Watching, Listening, and Retweeting, you can get merch with my logo on it here: http://www.cafepress.com/justjumptotheend/12361893

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Trust me when I say the world is hard enough, try not to be a dick.
You never know what a little kindness can do.

Typecast #10: Doom-vengers Assemble!

Again, things are gonna be a bit different this time around.
Everybody that I’ve done a Typecast thus far is back for a rapid fire round of fun.
Basically, you’re getting 4 Typecasts for the price of one!

Everybody’s names appear in red and link to their respective sites, twitters, and podcasts.
@TESDGroupie‘s links to her Twitter http://twitter.com/TESDGroupie
SpiderScooby‘s links to his site http://ScoobyFan.Net.
@ScoobyAddict‘s links to her Twitter http://Twitter.com/ScoobyAddict.
@Fitzman73‘s links to his podcast Just Jump To The End.

These conversations appear just as they were had, all flaws intact and no edits to maintain honesty.

First up is @TESDGroupie, to talk MallRats 2, and away we go!


ThatScoobyDoom: I was gonna get all eloquent and wax rhapsodically but fuck dat noise, Mallrats 2!
Are you as out of your goddamn mind excited for it as I am???

@TESDGroupie: More than excited, I was surprised at first… it sort of came unexpectedly… but now that I’ve seen Jason Lee’s picture (in his instagram no less) I’m so in!!!
What is making you so excited?

ThatScoobyDoom: I was shocked when I heard the rumblings too, but before I could google it Gigliotti tweeted a link confirming it.
I can’t explain how excited I was!
Is that the pic that Kev tweeted of Lee?

That’s a hard question to answer.
It might be because Mallrats was the first View Askew movie I saw, it might be because the cast was so damn strong, it might be because there are so many possiblities for the story.
Hell, it might even be because the story grew out of Kev wanting to feel a connection with Jim Jacks after falling out of contact with the dude.
I don’t know, but I’m almost more excited for this than I am for Clerks III…and I am so fuckin’ ready for that!

Have you been able to nail down what exactly it is that has you so fired up for it?

@TESDGroupie: Yes, it was the same picture Kevin tweeted.

We always have attachment to the things that connected with us growing up, no matter what they were and where we are from.
I always loved the friendships: Jay and Silent Bob and especially TS and Brodie, and how ordinary days can be not so ordinary.
I have a terrible curiosity about the direction it will take, as you say there are so many options.
Actually the fact that Shannen Doherty has said yes made me more curious, cause I am not sure where that may lead to.
Can’t wait for more details and people, but I’m sure Kevin will fill us in as time goes by.

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s very true.
And I connected with Mallrats in a big way.
Right around the time I started getting into comics hardcore about 10 years ago.

It will be interesting to see if Kev can tap into that same goofy plainness that he used for Clerks & Mallrats and that we haven’t really seen since.

Doherty coming back does add a very interesting wrinkle.
Do you really think Brody and Renee are still together 20 years later?
I feel like they would have stayed together for like 5-10 years and probably gotten a divorce.

So far we know Rooker, Stan Lee, Jason Lee, Ethan Suplee, Doherty, Jay, and Silent Bob are all coming back (with another possible reveal tomorrow), who are you most excited to see returning?

@TESDGroupie: I really hope for that goofy plainness… in a way I think it’s what made it so charming.
I think the logic answer is that Brody and Renne are not still together, just can’t picture it.
You are optimistic, I think 5 years is way too long 🙂 But may be they are and it would be an interesting take on it.
I know by now how people settle when you grow into middle age… maybe this is the time when all that explodes and one of them goes #YOHO on things Of the peole on, I’m interesting in Ethan Suplee… curious to know what the take would be.
Of the non-announced yet, certainly I would love to see Steve-Dave and Fan Boy, and Jeremy London.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, I really hope it doesn’t get too complicated.
It did add to the charm, it was more simple than even Clerks in some ways.
2 dudes, no jobs, just fucking off in a mall.

Hahaha, really?
You think even 5 years is too much?

Wouldn’t it be funny if Willam became a College Professor? Lol
Seeing that goddamn sailboat may have opened up the world to him.

I think Bry and Walt are almost a lock, I missed them in Clerks II.
What do you think Steve-Dave & Fan Boy are up too now?

@TESDGroupie: Sometimes I just sit and have a good time, laugh and forget the outside.
Simple is definitely underrated and some times it’s unappreciated.
Sorry, but she seems a bit unbearable and entitled at times, and that can fed up people.
Sounds too crazy?
That is what I like about William being back… the possibilities are endless.
And being a College Professor would be an awesome idea!
I love Steve-Dave & Fan Boy so much (not too mention TESD,as you may know, lol) that I wish things stay as close as the same as possible: just hanging in malls, around comic book stores and bickering.
It would be comforting for me.
I don’t ask for much, right?
Did you have anything in mind for them?
I hope Walt has a second appearance as a wink to Mallrats.

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m with you, simple can be better sometimes.
And I love his more complicated stuff too.

I agree with that too.
And keep in mind, she dumped Brodie that morning and was already with Hamilton by noon!
Met his Mom and everything!
Not like she’s too trustworthy!

I’d like to see Steve-Dave and Fan Boy progress a bit, maybe owning a comic shop, doing something besides just being outraged about silly shit.

Do you think T.S. and Brandi are still together?

@TESDGroupie: I wish they are.
He is willing to fight for her when it is her father that is against it, it’s so endearing.
But I am not sure, there may be more things separating them than joining them, but they being together would mean love wins at the end.
And who doesn’t want to see that?
Too girly?
What’s your take on them?

ThatScoobyDoom: I think their chances are far better than Brodie and Renee’s.
They, for the most part, seem to like one another.
Sure, they have some problems, but nothing they can’t overcome just so long as they stick together.

Do you think Mr. Svenning is still hating T.S. after all these years?

@TESDGroupie: That sounds like I could have said it 😉 I’m not sure if he hates him, but certainly the dislike still exists. One you set your mind that he is not good enough for your precious daughter, nothing will make it good enough. I am certain that he is more subtle about it, and if he tries things, it is going to be in a more concealed way.

By the way have you seen??? … https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/581450106920042497

ThatScoobyDoom: Hahaha, thanks!

I don’t know, He and Brodie seemed high on his shit list.
Hard to imagine him ever coming to terms with him being his son in law.
To quote @NeilGat, he’s about as subtle as surprise prision rape.

I was gonna send that to you, I saw it about an hour after he posted that.
I like how he’s revealing a returning cast member every day or so.

@TESDGroupie: Maybe he will not be as subtle, maybe I see it from my perspective.
Women can be more Machiavellian, I guess, and pretend to get along just to not disturb the other person.
Wow, this could be an interesting part too.
Though I always trust what @NeilGat says.
I think that the revealing is being one of the most fun part of the whole thing.
Really well done, but also playing to that love people have for the movie… and I can’t wait for Bry and Walt’s pic 🙂
*fingers crossed*

ThatScoobyDoom: I would bet on that, you can see it on twitter even.
I don’t know if you talk much with chicks on there, but some times I see chicks talking all sweet and then one will DM me and be like “can you believe this cunt?” and I’m always amazed by that.

Neil is a motherfuckin’ genius!

4 folks left, they must be 2.

What do you think the chances of Affleck are?
Think he’ll flap away from Gotham for Kev?

@TESDGroupie: Agreed on the twitter thing…but we would be going into a whole tricky conversation going on that route 🙂
Couldn’t agree more with you.
He was one of my first followers, so almost three years surrounded by awesomeness.
As much as I would like, I don’t think Affleck will be back.
After being such an asshole in the movie, and the end part of the movie (with his new friends in the State Correctional Facility).
Not sure it is that much a Gotham related thing.
Though a cameo, even just walking Hitchcock style, would be fun.
Steve-Dave and Fan Boy are so part of that universe, they have to be there.
If not, it would really be heartbreaking

ThatScoobyDoom: I hear that! Lol

He was one of mine too, never miss an opportunity to praise Neil.
I think I joined about a month after him if I remember right, he followed me soon after and has been a big booster.

Playing Batman might make him too high profile, though it would bring some attention to it.
Kevin had said that he doesn’t really talk to the dude anymore, there’s no ill will there but their carreers have taken them apart.
But on this weeks HB-O Kev said every character from Mallrats is written to return he just hadn’t talked to every actor.
So using that as a segue into your other, I think it’s safe to say Bry and Walt are coming back.

Few other bits from this weeks HB-O, Kev said that they will be shooting Mallrats 2 at the end of this year and that Ralph will have a role.
I’m putting my money on Sean Hartle, the character that was only mentioned in the first and that Kev said Ralph will be playing in Clerks III.

Are you interested to see what Trish The Dish is up too?

@TESDGroupie: As said, I would love to see Affleck, but it does indeed seem hard, even if he has not been approached.
As you say, their careers are now too afar.
Good bet!
If Ralph is playing Sean in Clerks III, I do agree that there is a good chance that is the character he plays.
I love that from Kevin movies, seeing characters moving from one movie to another, even if just for a brief moment.
That is what made it a universe for me.
I think it would be interesting to see what happened with Trish.
After her book being so successful (even with a movie), what can she be doing?
And being so accomplished, if the way is down… a lot of opportunities here, actually.

ThatScoobyDoom: Indeed, but it makes me wonder what Kev wrote for him.
One would think he’d still be in prision but sounds like he’s out.

That was what they said a long time ago.
I’m glad Kev is giving Ralph work.
We can all hear from Family Guy and HB-O how talented he is.

Fuck Marvel, Kev has been doing the whole “shared universe” thing for 20 fuckin’ years!
For comic/tv/film nerds, that is what makes his shit so cool.
Like you said, even if it’s just a moment, is strengthens the whole verse by having the characters appear again and again.
That’s why Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back was so great, every character was in there.
Fuckin’ awesome!

Yes, she could have ridden the wave and stayed a success or been crushed by achieving so much so soon.
The whole movie has so much potential!

@TESDGroupie: Maybe they could do like for Red State and have that part animated to see it 🙂
It is great seeing Ralph in Kevin movies.
I even found some the Joe Schmo show episodes and he was great.
I really love Ralph in HB-O.
Besides being voice talented, he is such a fast thinker and so funny.
Would love to see a live so, but that is really far and costy for me, so I have enough with dreaming about returning to the Stash.
That was one of the things that got me hooked about his films, the callback references and people.
It was so much fun.
Jay And Silent Bob Strike Back is indeed great in that aspect… so exciting to see people you know popping up as the story moves.
I even think Trish could be used as a metaphor for Kevin.
Similar start in a way, but we’ll see… I think this may be the movie with the most open opportunities on how things may continue

ThatScoobyDoom: Was that ending ever animated?

He’s been in both of Seth MacFarlane’s movies too.
I’ve never seen Joe Schmo, but it sounds funny as fuck.
Totally, the dude has a mad fuckin’ talent we get to hear all the time but I wish we got to see it more often.
I think tickets are only $20, so if you ever happen to be coming to the states…

The same for me, not only are they funny they have a sense of history.

Exactly, it seems like it’ll sorta be a spiritual sequel to J&SBSB in a way.
…and if Kev keeps going the way he’s going, an actual sequel to Strike Back may not be to crazy an idea!

@TESDGroupie: Hope you can see it: the tweet https://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/581228915441606656 the link to the video http://bcove.me/cv0jopa4

I have seen ‘Ted’, but I haven’t seen ‘A million ways to die in the West’ though.
I’ve seen a bit of the first season of Joe Schmo and of the third.
The third is great because he plays the host but he is a bounty hunter looking for a replacement.
And one of the candidates is Lorenzo Lamas, who is incredibly funny.
LA is out of the scope of my US visits.
And last year I missed the Tenderloins in Chicago by a week more or less.
It sucks I missed HBO in the UK; couldn’t go because of work.
And WSY was during Easter week, so you should have seen the prices for tickets and hotels in London.
I think the trip would have been more expensive than going to the Stash.

I thinks that sense of history is what made people connect.
It is not something that starts and finish, but something that goes on and grows with you.
That is why I liked Clerks II so much, because being closer in age to Kevin that I am sure you are, it is like friends that you reconnect with and just keep hearing how they are doing and have fun, no matter how many time has gone by.
Middle age is the time when people start longing for their youth, so I’m up to anything at this point 🙂

ThatScoobyDoom: I will be able to hopefully watch it by the time this is posted.
Is it as awesome as Kev described it a few years back?

Same here, Ted but not A Million Ways.
Season 3 was the season they did a like 2 years ago, right?
Totally understand the restrictions.
Sucks you missed it by a week though. 😦

It totally makes sense As I mentioned earlier, it’s what makes the Marvel Cinematic Universe work, at least on some level.
I’m almost 24 and I seriously pine for my youth every fuckin’ day, dear lady. Lol
So I completely understand that.

Anything else you wanna add about Mallrats 2?

@TESDGroupie: It is beyond awesome!
It has a little feel of the (c)Rapture.
He says this scene would probably have been more expensive that any of his movies.
That’s right, season 3 was a couple of years ago and season 1 and 2, early 2000s If you feel like that way about youth now, imagine in 15-20 years.
The things we loved in our youth give us comfort, I think.
And for me, going to the movies or a concert, was exciting, time with friends, laughs, and we never want to see that go.

Just one thing, I have read people wanting Q to be in the movie.
Some had enough with a Dogma-like cameo.
Others think that he should have a bigger part alongside Walt and Bry.
What’s your take on that?

ThatScoobyDoom: That sounds fuckin’ awesome!!!
I remember him saying that back when he first talked about it.

I agree, I’d give almost anything to go back about 10 years because now?
Now sucks.

It all depends on Q’s IJ shooting schedule, but I think it would be a cool nod to us Ants to have him as a third wheel to Steve-Dave and Fan Boy.
Kind of an uber nerd, hero worshipping them, trailing after them idolizing them as if they are important.
That would make me laugh.
What about you?

@TESDGroupie: Hope you can see it, because there are awesome little things that I don’t want to spoil.
It is funny how moments that I thought sucked, now I would love to go back to.

If Q can make it to record TESD, I’m sure he’ll manage to make this work.
At first, I was not sure how I felt.
I wanted him to be in the movie for sure, but that much?
And altering my beloved Steve-Dave and Fan Boy relationship?
But the way you say it sounds awesome, you’ve sold me.
Maybe he could be the Fan Boy Fan Boy 🙂
I don’t think I can improve your scenario, sounds amazing and with lots of awesome laughs.

ThatScoobyDoom: Can’t wait to give it a spin.
I hear ya, just when you think it couldn’t get worse…it did.

Better watch it or you’ll give me a big head. Lol
Yeah, I think it could be fun.
Fan-Boy: Tell ‘Em Steve-Dave!
Steve-Dave/Fan-Boy: Shut up!
Q: Sorry sirs.

Oh, and for the record…MALLRATS WAS GOOD!!!

@TESDGroupie: You know I like your creativity and daring to be out there.
If that doesn’t happen in the movie, I hope they do it for instagram or something, lol.
And indeed… MALLRATS WAS GOOD!!!


ThatScoobyDoom: The majority of the cast has been confirmed to return, including La Fours.
So besides Ben, who else is missing that you hope comes back?
I can only think of Miss Ivana.

@TESDGroupie: I think that if you go through the list of characters, the only “big” or better known ones left are: Shannon (Affleck), Brandi and Miss Ivana.
And since Affleck doesn’t seem likely -just in case, lol-, I would definitely choose Miss Ivana.
Would be interesting finding out what she is up to now 🙂

By the way, I think I found one with everybody https://twitter.com/Matt_Westphalen/status/585913023409172480

ThatScoobyDoom: Brandi is doing booze commercials for Dewars here in the States, not sure what else she’s been up too but she’s still working.
Ivana, not sure what she’s doing at all.

I actually have a group collage posted above that @JCynda made for me.
I hadn’t seen Mosier’s before, so thanks for that.

@TESDGroupie: Didn’t know about the commercial.
I read in one of the articles that apparently Priscilla Barnes has never stopped working and now is Jane the Virgin.
So who knows?
Would you be interested in any of the two?
Or who can I be forgetting about?

I was sure there were more collages around, but just in case 🙂

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh, I didn’t know that! I want her and Brandi back, if La Fours is back why not?
I can’t think of any others, maybe the kid that got stuck in the escalator? Lol

Where did the Mos pic come from?


@TESDGroupie: The more the merrier indeed…Wouldn’t it be funny if there was a subtle callback to his son getting stuck in the elevator?
Done much better than this of course.

I’ve seen Mosier both in Facebook and instagram, but didn’t find it on Twitter.
https://instagram.com/p/ 1LTaD5xyxg/

ThatScoobyDoom: Any reference to it would be awesome!
If they met the kids Dad would be funny too, I doubt it would happen but it’d be kinda funny if escalator boy was Pickle Fuckers kid.

That explains why I never saw it.

Before we wrap up, and because I know we both love it, do you have the updated TESD breakdown?

@TESDGroupie: As said before, the more the merrier, and after the Audible book, boy, I would love callbacks 🙂


Hope it looks okay, but of course, here it is.
2015 is being pretty good.

Next up, we’ve got SpiderScooby talking Pre-MCU films!


ThatScoobyDoom: Just to kick off the conversation, going back to the time before the MCU, to those very dark days, what did you think of the Marvel movies as a whole?

SpiderScooby: As a whole?
They certainly varied in quality, with the best being Spider-man 1&2 and X2.
But then you had stuff like Ang Lee’s Hulk, Punisher War Zone, Blade Trinity, the 70’s Captain America, etc.

ThatScoobyDoom: Let’s keep it to the 90’s and forward, we don’t have nearly enough time to cover the shit storm that is 70’s Cap or Lundgren’s Punisher.

You’d lump Trinity in with the worst?
I dug that?

Speaking of Blade, best place to start I guess, where do you fall on that franchise of movies?
I personally think those movies (especially the first) don’t get nearly enough credit for what they did for comicbook movies.

SpiderScooby: Fair enough.

Yeah, I rewatched it recently, and it’s a huge step down from the first two.
I think the biggest problems were the script and putting more focus on Ryan Reynolds and his “team”.

I was never a Blade fan, but the first two are not bad.
Blade 2 was good mainly because of Guillermo Del Toro.


ThatScoobyDoom: I’ve seen it recently too, I wouldn’t put it anywhere near as bad as Ang Lee’s Hulk!
Though I do agree with what you said, Reynolds and Co did get too much spotlight and it had Patton Oswald.
But it has more pluses than minuses.
Jessica Biel, Triple H, and that original Vampire dude was good.

I’ve never read a Blade comic, but those movies and the TV show were great!
Made me want to read the comics…but I never got to them.

SpiderScooby: I actually didn’t mind Hulk at the time, though my views have certainly changed on it.

It’seems like they were trying to spin off Renyolds into his own movie.

I barely remember the TV show (only saw the pilot).
I remember his appearance on the 90’s Spider-man show more than anything else.

ThatScoobyDoom: I read the Junior Novel when it came out, it was okay.
It took me many years to watch it start to finish…I regret every moment of it.
It was up there with The Wrong Side Of Town as one of the worst, completely unredeemable movies I’ve ever seen.

Story of that dudes life, am I right? Lol

I watched most of the eps when they aired, haven’t seen them since, I loved it.
It was pretty brutal as I recall and that worked for me.

That 90’s Spidey toon stuff was brilliant, all of it, Blade, Morbius, Cap, Hydro-Man, Goblin, every episode was great!

SpiderScooby: Very odd they released kids books for that movie, because it really didn’t feel like something for kixs.

He seems to have a habit of getting screwed with Marvel franchises.
First Blade Trinity, then X-men Origins.
At least he’s finally doing Deadpool.

Love that series.

ThatScoobyDoom: I don’t think they were sure what the movie was supposed to be, it has moments of strange lightness then moments of extreme forced darkness.
A goddamn anomaly!

Has he had better luck with DC?
Before GL opened there was heavy sequel talk…it opened…and that went away…fast!!!

I’d think that since Disney owns Marvel now that it would get a full proper DVD release.

Back to Blade, I think it gets the short end of the stick.
Everybody credits X-Men with taking the Comic Book genre serious for the first time, but I think it was Blade.
Would you agree?

SpiderScooby: I liked what they were going with it with the whole psychological angle, but they overdid it.

I think that not only hurt the chances of another GL movie, but it also hurt his career.

Well, they finally put it back up for streaming, so who knows.

The thing is, unless you were a hardcore comic fan, you probably didn’t know it was based on a comic book.
Plus you had a much more limited audience with its R rating.
So while Blade certainly helped, I think X-men did more to revitalize the genre.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, they over did it and his directions and the editing choices were fuckin’ dumb.

Totally, not even sure what he’s done since.

Hope springs eternal.

I don’t know that I agree.
It was limited by the rating of course, but they made it clear it was a comic movie.
X-Men popped huge, but Blade laid all the groundwork.

SpiderScooby: And the choice to make it look like a comic with the multiple panels on screen was a mistake.

But you wouldn’t know on the surface.
I figure they wouldn’the to promote it as such since it came out so soon after Batman & Robin.

ThatScoobyDoom: Very much so.
That was probably the thing I hated most.

I guess.
B&R was a nerdboner killed, but Blade kept trying like hell to get it hard again.
I think it was great foreplay X-Men and Spider-Man.

SpiderScooby: Did you like Eric Bana?

Those two were just bigger.
Blade wasn’t a instant hit when it came out.
It only got popular on home vid3o.

ThatScoobyDoom: Not really, mostly for the same reasons I don’t like Ruffles.

Didn’t it pick up steam quickly after that?

SpiderScooby: I thought he was okay, no one in that movie really stood out.

I’mean not sure, but I know it was after it’s video release.

ThatScoobyDoom: Oh yes they did, the dude that played the evil corporate douche stood out!
He sucked in that movie, I’ve seen him in other shit and he was fine.
But he was down right horrible here.

I thought Sam Elliot was a great Thunderbolt Ross too.

Did you think Snipes did a good job as Blade?

SpiderScooby: Well sure, Sam Elliot is great.

Yes, I think so.
I don’the know how faithful his performance is to the comics, but I think he pulled it off.

ThatScoobyDoom: Agreed on both.

So finally X-Men happens, what did you think as it was getting closer?
For me, it had HUGE shoes to fill.

SpiderScooby: I didn’the actually see it until X2 came out.
I wasn’t really an X-men fan growing up so I wasn’t interested in seeing it when it came out.

ThatScoobyDoom: I watched the hell out of the 90’s X-Men animated series.
Those movies had a huge mountain to climb in my book, a mountain they never really made it to the top of, for me, until First Class.
Those 1st 3 have alot of boring bullshit in them.

SpiderScooby: I remember X-men TAS, but I don’t think I watched it that mcuh.

I disagree.
I find the first two highly entertaining.
X2 was my favorite of the franchise up until last year.
They were able to bring these characters to life without making it feel silly.


ThatScoobyDoom: That and Spider-Man are my referance for the Marvel characters the same way B:TAS & S:TAS are for the DC characters.

I loved the first one, warts and all, for what it was.
2 was busier than Iron Man 2, had alot of yawn moments that I just didn’t really give a rats ass about.
3 was the defintion of mixed bag.
It was fun, stupid, boring, cheesy, great, lame, slow, fast, confusing, and had a bloodlust worse than Wolvie in a full berserker rage.
But I will say this, this franchise has an AMAZING cast.

SpiderScooby: Agreed.. Tbeh really couldn’t have picked anyone better than Hugh Jackman.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, and didn’t he say recently he wants to keep going for quite a few more years?

Can you imagine how goofy he’d look with everybody towering over him?
It works on the page…not so much on screen.

SpiderScooby: Yeah, and he still looks good too.

ThatScoobyDoom: Indeed.
He looks more like Logan now than he did in 2000.

And speaking of him as Logan, what do you think about his first solo movie?

SpiderScooby: Complete shit.
Bad writing.
Bad CGI.
Plot holes that contradict previous films.
Not to mention the complete waste of characters(Deadpool and Gambit).

ThatScoobyDoom: Couldn’t agree more, such a waste of time, money, and skills.
It had every damn reason to be great but ended up shitting the bed at ever freakin’ turn.
Seemed mostly rushed.
It’s sad really.

SpiderScooby: And I feel like we didn’t need an Wolverine origin story anyway because tne otber X-films heavily focused on Wolverine anyways.

The Wolverine, while not a great movie, thankfully was a lot better.

Next, we have our penultimate guest, to talk Scooby specials and the upcoming KISS movie, @ScoobyAddict!


ThatScoobyDoom: Lets talk about these recent Spooky Tales specials, I’ve seen the 1st 2.
Have you seen any or all of them?

@ScoobyAddict: I have seen Spooky Games and Haunted Holidays.
I don’t remember much from Spooky Games, it’s been a while since I’ve seen it.
I do remember them being chased by a giant gladiator.
Haunted Holidays stuck to the original series, but had a more modern feel.
Shaggy and Scooby looking at their reflection in the ice and making faces at themselves, then the villain shows up behind them reminded me of classic Scooby.
The flow of this episode was very much like SDWAY, and of course Velma lost her glasses.
There was a scene with Scooby riding on a toy car, which I believe was also a scene from early SD.


ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah yeah, I just watched Spooky Games the other day.
I think it struggles a bit because they want to say Olympics so bad but can’t for legal reasons and it’s unintentially funny.
I was only able to see Haunted Holidays on Youtube, but I dug that one too.
Being caught in a snow storm is creepy and really fit.

Velma losing her glasses was something I wanted to bring up last time actually when we were talking about SD:MI!
That was one of the 2 things that SD:MI was missing, the other being the hallway gag.
I love me a good hallway gag!

I seem to recall that toy car bit being in the New Movies opening.

@ScoobyAddict: Velma losing her glasses and the hallway scenes were definitely missing from SD:MI.
That was always funny to me when she lost her glasses.

Yes, I believe you are correct…Scooby on the car is from The New Movies intro.
I knew I remembered it, but couldn’t think of which intro it was in!

ThatScoobyDoom: I thought it was kind of an interesting twist and a cool piece of development when Shaggy started carrying a spare pair of glasses for her.

I’ve got the Globetrotters DVD here, I should give it a spin and be sure.

Back to the specials, have you gotten the compilation sets that they’ve released them on or have you held off in hopes that some day they’ll release them all together?

@ScoobyAddict: Shaggy didn’t carry spare glasses very often, but it was a nice change to him having food in his pockets.

I didn’t buy the compilation sets.
I don’t want to keep buying the same episodes on different DVD sets over and over again.
I would love to see them release all the specials as a DVD set.
When I say all the specials, I mean Spooky Games, Haunted Holidays, Bravo Dooby-Doo, Those Meddling Kids, The Scooby-Doo Project, and so on…

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m right there with you!
I hate compliations and I hate the 4 episode volumes.
And yes they need to release all of these specials, old and new, in one set.
That’s about the only compilation set I could see myself wanting to buy anytime in the near future.

I especially love this animation style we’ve had these last few years, from Abra forward.
Where do you stand on it?

@ScoobyAddict: I do like the animation style in the recent movies.
I like that they stay close to the original SDWAY character style…Fred has his ascot, Daphne in her typical purple dress and the green scarf.
Even if they don’t wear that trough the entire movie, at least they started off in the classic style.

ThatScoobyDoom: Since Abra, I’ve seen quite a few folks complaining because they mimick some of the things H&B has to do to make the show cheap (Fred, Daphne, & Shaggy having flesh colored eyes etc.), where do you stand on that?

@ScoobyAddict: I don’t mind the flesh colored eyes. I like that they stick to the classic drawing.
At least the characters look like themselves and the animation isn’t way off like Get A Clue was.

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m with ya, I think this is perfect.
I like to imagine if they did an animated movie on the big screen they’d use these designs, I think they’d look amazing if done super high quality.

I wanna ask you about a rumor, I’ve seen a few folks speculating that Mindy may not be voicing Velma in Be Cool.
They’ve given absolutely no reason for thinking she was done, but I wanted to know if you’ve heard that or seen anything to suggest that she is?

@ScoobyAddict: Jon Colton Barry, one of the writers for Be Cool, Scooby-Doo, stated on my forum: “All the voice actors have confirmed that they will be playing their usual roles except for Mindy.” I don’t know if she is not going to voice Velma for the series or if she just hasn’t confirmed it yet.
I hope she does voice Velma.
I think she does a good job!

You can read his post here: http://scoobyaddicts.proboards.com/index.cgi? action=gotopost&board=593& thread=2908&post=33927

ThatScoobyDoom: So that’s where it came from!!!

I like her too, she gives Velma spunk. She’s sarcastic and dry.
I really dig the way they write Velma for her.
Much like I said in our last talk about Fred, gives her more of a personality than “generic smart girl”.
Of course they went too far in season 1 of SD:MI.

If she doesn’t come back, who’s out there right now that could replace her?

@ScoobyAddict: Mindy does give Velma some spunk.
She adds a lot to her character.

Maybe Linda Cardellini?
I liked her live action Velma.
I wouldn’t even really know who else could do it.
I had said Mae Whitman could possibly pull off playing Velma live action, but I don’t know how she would do with the voice.

ThatScoobyDoom: I didn’t even think of Linda!!!
She seemed happy to voice Hot Dog Water, which was like a bizzaro version of Velma…and we know she’s comfortable behind the mic.
I’d take her in a heart beat.

Do you think she and, specifically, Matt realized 14-15 years ago when they signed on to that movie that they’d have roles that could last the rest of their lives if they wanted them?

@ScoobyAddict: I don’t think Linda and Matt really thought Scooby would be a long term thing.
I think they put their heart into their performances in the live action movies and they did great portraying Velma and Shaggy.
I like that they have continued to work on Scooby.
They are, by far, my favorite live actors from the Scooby movies.

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m just glad that WB is utilizing them, would be a shame to let such great performances be limited to just 2 movies.

But I still hope Mindy sticks around for a while.

Something else I wanted to ask you about was CG in the 2-D animation, specifically creatures and vehicles.
Do you think it works well with the 2-D?

@ScoobyAddict: Yes, I am happy to see WB has continued to give them roles.
I would like to see Mindy continue as Velma, but if she chooses not to, Linda would be great too!

The CG never really bothered me.
I think it works ok.
I know other people find it to be distracting, but I think it works.

ThatScoobyDoom: Agreed.

I think it should be kept to vehicles.
Look at the Cicada episode of SD:MI, IMO, that critter looked like crap up against the 2-D.
The CG kinda wavered over it, showed the limitations of the TV animation budget.

@ScoobyAddict: Every time I watch the cicada episode, the thought of having all those bugs on me creeps me out.
I agree the cicada creature didn’t look great, but I’m not sure they could have gotten the same effect with 2-D.
I guess I’d have to see it to know!

ThatScoobyDoom: I know, I hate those damn bugs…and all bugs and insects really.
I think they could have, it just would have been more complicated and time consuming.

The last thing I wanted to talk about with you this time, and this is another reason why I love Mindy (it’s because of Mindy we even know about the movie), was the upcoming KISS movie that we only mentioned last time.
Are you at all excited about that?


@ScoobyAddict: I am kind of two-fold on this one!
I am excited because I used to be a KISS fan when I was in high school.
I saw them live once when they did the tour with half the show in make-up and the other half without make-up.
I met Sebastian Bach from Skid Row at that show.
I used to love Sebastian and Skid Row until I met him and realized he was a huge ass!
Anyway, I follow Gene Simmons on Twitter and sometimes I feel like he is a pompous ass.
He’s very high on himself, but he’s great at marketing, so we see KISS stuff everywhere.
I might choose a different band to be in a Scooby movie.
Not that I am complaining really, I think a Scooby/KISS movie could be done well.

ThatScoobyDoom: I totally understand, and you wouldn’t be the first to say that for damn sure.
I think I cut him (Gene), and people like him, a little slack because he came from nothing and now sits atop this vast empire.
I think you get that way because along the way you have hundreds of people telling you that you suck and that you’ll never make it.
So, when you finally do make it it’s a bit of a “fuck you” to all the folks that tried to hold you back.
It is shitty, but it happens.

He is indeed a marketing/networking genius and an ultimate opportunist, he knows how to get folks aware of stuff.
The Scooby projects are an extenstion of that, this will be their second time crossing over with Scooby.
It branches them out to a new generation.

We know next to nothing about this project, but do you have any expectations?
I know I’d love them to cover the WAY and WNS-D themes!

@ScoobyAddict: I can understand he came from nothing and now he has built an empire, but he could still be humble and remember where he came from.

I don’t really have any expectations, I just hope his arrogance doesn’t shine through in the movie.
It would be great for them to cover one if the themes or create their own.

ThatScoobyDoom: I agree, but I understand the mentality behind his attitude.

Agree here too.
Much like was said in an earlier segment of this Typecast about Mallrats 2, this KISS movie has vast amounts of potential.
And at least we know it’ll have some pretty kickass music.

@ScoobyAddict: I can understand his attitude, I just don’t condone it.
I think the best way to get back at people who tell you it’s impossible is to do it and remain humble.

The music will definitely be good!

ThatScoobyDoom: So we’ve gotten a trailer, cast & story details, and the official title for Scooby-Doo & KISS: Rock And Roll Mystery, did that excite you anymore for it?

There will be 6 classic songs and 1 original, care to guess the 6?

@ScoobyAddict: I m a little more excited about it because I know it’s real now and not just gossip.
I used to like KISS in high school a lot, but I haven’t listened to them in years.
I might have chosen a different band, but I can see how KISS would be a good choice for a Scooby movie, especially with the makeup.
I know Gene Simmons has a great marketing sense and he will be very picky about the movie and how they are portrayed.
I’m hoping that will translate to a good movie!

My guess on the songs…Seven Days A Week, Pretty Mary Sunlight, Daydreamin’, Love the World, Tell Me, Tell Me…not sure which one the 6th one would be.
Maybe Recipe for My Love?

ThatScoobyDoom: The Sonic Boom album was damn good, you should check that out.
Has a nice classic feel.
Indeed he is.

I think they meant classic KISS songs, but that would be cool if they covered those!

Did any of the casting announcements excite you?
I think they annouced Pauly Perette from NCIS, right?
I know I’m pumped for Kevin Smith and Jay Mewes!

@ScoobyAddict: Oh, I don’t know why I was thinking classic Scooby songs!!
Rock n Roll All Nite, Detroit Rock City…KISS has an album called Unmasked, they should use songs from that!!

In addition to Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Eric Singer, and Tommy Thayer, the voice cast will include Kevin Smith, Jason Mewes, Darius Rucker, Garry Marshall, Penny Marshall, Jennifer Carpenter and Pauley Perrette.
I am super excited about Pauley Perrette.
I love NCIS!!!
Kevin Smith and Jason Mewes are kewl!
I’m getting more excited about the movie!!

ThatScoobyDoom: I can’t recall that album off the top of my head, but I’ve never been good with songs and albums like that. Lol

I know Pauley is a big fan of KISS and AC/DC, so that’s not surprising to me that she’s in there.
I was rather stunned by Kev and Mewes though, but after the Plants Vs Zombies and Lego Batman 3 stuff I guess I shouldn’t have been.
I’d heard Kev say last year that he’d met with Gene a few times for a few projects, has me wondering if this was one of those meetings.

@ScoobyAddict: I think Gene Simmons could probably get anyone he wanted to star in this Scooby movie.
He’s got a lot of power in the celebrity world! LOL

ThatScoobyDoom: Damn right, that is as connected as an old timey switchboard.

With as much attention as this one will get, do you think we’ll get a new bonus feature?
I’d love a commentary!
Those character commentaries on Legend Of The Vampire and Monster Of Mexico were great, but I’d love a real commentary.

@ScoobyAddict: I hope we get some good bonus features!!
Maybe a bit of a making of kind of thing or bloopers!
Something that will stand out!

And finally, to talk about the 2nd Episode VII trailer and more, here’s @Fitzman73!!!


ThatScoobyDoom: Lets just get right down too it, what did you think of the new Ep VII trailer and what do you think of the new planet and it’s name?
I know in previous conversations we both were betting it was just a Into Darkness/Khan like swerve and it was Tattooine.

@Fitzman73: The new trailer is beautiful.
There’s no other word to describe it.
And the scary thing is, it’s still only a teaser.
I’m afraid my brain will explode when we finally get the full theatrical trailer.

Mark Hamill’s voiceover gave me legit chills.
And I really was genuinely surprised at how many things were revealed, especially things that until now had been “rumors” like the melted Vader helmet.

As for that new planet, it’s fine I guess, but until I see it confirmed on screen in the theater, I will continue to think it’s a swerve.
Although at this point, what would be the point?

ThatScoobyDoom: Beautiful indeed.
That was strange to me, sure we’re still 8 months from release, but this was a minute and 20 seconds of actual new footage!
Not quick flashes of stills, not quick flashes of slightly moving images, long shots that reveal big info, at what point do they go from teaser to theatrical?

That melted helmet is very interesting.
As much as I don’t think flashbacks fit the Theatrical Star Wars style, that could be confirmation of a return of Vader via flashback.
Also, at this point, I think I could listen to Mark Hamill describe my own death before he set it in motion.

What was the point of the Khan swerve (even though everybody knew he was bullshittin’), even up until the release of Into Darkness?
And why go through the trouble of coming up with such a strange new name?
Just so after release they can mock us for falling for it?
I think JJ’s credibility was hurt enough with the Khan thing, I’d hope he wouldn’t pull the same shit twice and expect folks not to get a bit pissy with him.

@Fitzman73: I wouldn’t say I’ll be pissy with him about it, but it does seem like a dumb game to play if he is in fact playing a game.
And if he’s not I just don’t get the point of creating a whole new planet that’s essentially just Tatooine.

Something that just occured to me though, what if it is the truth and a swerve at the same time?
What if it IS Tatooine but for some in universe reason we aren’t privy to yet it was renamed?

I don’t really buy for a second that Vader will appear alive in the suit via flashback.
I think the melted helmet is as much as we’ll be getting and whether that shot was part of a flashback or not remains to be seen.

What I do know is I got a full on nerd boner seeing that crashed Star Destroyer.
So fucking awesome to see a graveyard of fallen ships that were part of a battle over that planet.


Did you notice that Luke appears to no longer have a fleshy bionic hand and instead has mechanical one that looks more like Anakin’s at the end of Ep2?
I thought that was kind of an odd choice.

And it does appear to be true that Luke’s old lightsaber figures into the story somehow as we’re shown Daisy Ridley handing it to Leia.

Also I was really surprised to see that it looks like Kylo Ren is actually part of the Empire remnants, which we know after Celebration are going by the name “The First Order”.
For some reason I thought he would be a lone wolf not someone that would be commanding stormtroopers.

One thing we can put to rest is that it’s Mark Hamill under the Kylo Ren mask because that dude is way too tall and slender to be Hamill.
Although it’s still unclear to me whether it’s Adam Driver or Domhnall Gleeson under there.
They’ve both been conspicuously absent from both teasers.

ThatScoobyDoom: Creating new planets, that’s something that’s in the theme of another question I want to ask you if we’ve got time.
I’m interested to hear your take.

That’s interesting and actually very well possible given that Tatooine is just a back water dirt planet that really has no bearing on the Republic, the Empire, or this new breed of Imperials.
It doesn’t appear to have any real resources to tap, no special indigenous flora or fuana that we know of, it’s just a hot dust bowl in the ass crack of the galaxy.
You may be onto something, that is a theory worth remembering.

I’d prefer not to have any flashbacks at all, but those are the most persistant of the rumors it seems.

That opening shot tracking, what looks like a landspeeder, and unveiling the gigantic downed ship as if it’s become a part of the planet, almost a mountain, was breathtaking!
Then seeing a TIE chase the Falcon through the remains of a ship on top of it?
I couldn’t stand up either man!

I did notice that.
That whole shot was pretty revealing to me.
Seems almost to confirm that rumor of Luke’s solitude.
Not having the Synth-flesh is sort of odd since that hand doesn’t look like the hand he got at the end of Empire.
Maybe he’s gotten an upgrade in the 30 years?
But it seems weird that they’d give him an upgrade to a hand that (by the time of just after Jedi) 25-30 year old tech, right?

Which I find it strange that I haven’t seen too many folks mentioning that that is Leia receiving the hilt.
Everybody has been so excited by Han and Chewie, which I think might be in part because Chewie was dead in the EU.

That shot in the first teaser of him running through the snowy woods kind of makes it seem as though Ren is a man apart, so I understand why you thought that.
Now that Celebration gave us a close up of him, tell me what you think of him, cause I think we’re on the same wavelength about his look.

I was unaware of the Ren/Hamill rumor, not sure I would have bought into it, though I thought that’s who you thought that was back when he first teaser hit.
I think Driver has an interesting look, a real face of character, would be weird to cover him up even though he seems tall and thin enough.
I’d be more inclined to say it’s Gleeson under the mask.
Still conspicuously absent also is Andy Serkis though.

@Fitzman73: Yeah but Serkis is playing a CG character so it’s not as surprising to me that they’d keep that under wraps as long as possible.

Rumors that I’ve heard actually put Gleeson as an Imperial officer, but if it was that simple, seems strange that there’s no shot of him in the teaser so it could be a massive head fake getting everyone to think Adam Driver will be under that mask only to find out nope it’s someone else.

I think the vehicle in that opening shot is Rey on her popsicle speeder that we saw in the first teaser.
If you look real close it looked to me like the same shape.

I would’ve expected Luke to probably have a new hand, it is 30 years later, but to have it not covered in skin was shocking to me.

Yeah one of those early rumors was that Luke would be revealed to be the “cyborg villain” from that old concept art.
But I think it’s pretty clear that they moved from “cyborg” to “dude in a mask” and there’s no way Hamill’s body type matches what we’ve seen so far.

I think Kylo Ren looks badass and we talked about it before, the design of that helmet lools like a cross between Plo Koon and Darth Revan.


ThatScoobyDoom: Not even a hint though?
I feel sorrt for the dude, I understand he’s great at mocap but if he’s great at that imagine how great he’d be as himself…but then again, he is himself in Avengers, ain’t he?

I would much rather they accentuated Driver’s features and slap some make-up on him.
I’m wondering if Gleeson is gonna be the son of an OT character, he comes from a decent acting legacy so it wouldn’t be hard to imagine him as the son of a legend.

I have a 3 inch screen, not alot of detail is popping out for me.

If he’s gone recluse the upgrade would be older, unless he fashioned it himself.
And again, if he’s gone koo koo ka choo recluse, the coverings may have rotted off, been damaged and ripped off.
The covering isn’t as interesting as the hand itself too me.

Do you think he could be the same species as Plo?

@Fitzman73: I think from what I’ve heard through the rumor mill is that Gleeson is the offspring of an OT character and his allegiances are a little fuzzy, like is he really for the Empire or just a spy?
So that to me puts his entire purpose in this film into question and opens up (to me) the possibility that the real surprise is the bad guy ends up being him.
My money is still firmly on Driver as Kylo Ren, BUT, I don’t count out the possibility of all the early speculation of him being the bad guy turning out to be a head fake.

Andy Serkis was in Avengers?
Oh you mean the new one?

I would seriously doubt that he ends up being the same species as Plo Koon.
The mask resembles his face shape and breath mask a little but I think that’s just a design coincidence or inspiration.

What do you think of the new names for the Empire and Rebel factions?
The First Order and The Resistance?
Again, seems like an unnecessary change but I guess it will make sense within the context of in universe history

ThatScoobyDoom: I hadn’t heard all of that, adds a new wrinkle.
Trying to think of whose kid he could be, not got a clue really.

Aye, Age Of Ultron.
Very secretive who he’s playing!

Have we seen many of Plo’s race?

With no context, The First Order sounds stupid too me.
Unless it’s something like The Lost Tribe Of The Sith and it’s a previously unheard of sect of the Sith that rises up to take Sidious and Vader’s place.
The Resistance is fine, Rebellion?
Same fuckin’ thing.
No big deal too me.

What to you think of the new Imperial logo?

@Fitzman73: We haven’t seen any of Plo’s race other than him as far as I can recall.
If you google around you can find EU renderings of what they look like sans breathing mask.
Not pretty.
They’re one of those races that can really only survive well in their natural eco system so it’s not too surprising that they’ve never shown us other examples.
Probably don’t see them unless you go to their planet specifically.

That new Imperial logo is ok.
It looks more like a flower to me though.
Too many points on it.

What do you think of the new trooper designs?
We didn’t see the snow or flame troopers in this trailer, but they showed off the costumes at Celebration.
Do they look too “slick” for you?
That’s almost the case for me.
They’re so sleek that they almost look fruity.

ThatScoobyDoom: Not even trying to be funny, I saw a pic of one maskless and it’s mouth looked like a gaping asshole.
I guess the Jedi fashioned that make for Koon when they took him from his parents?

I think it looks kinda cool, but it is very busy.

I haven’t seen the new designs, but my first thought about that silver Trooper with the cape was that they were trying to force a new Boba Fett.
It seemed like they were trying too hard with that one.
But in the case of them being sleek, I’d think some Imperial designs would be.
The Empire has been ruling for 55-60 years by this point, they gotta work some kinks out in all that time.

@Fitzman73: Yeah, it’s only natural that the designs would get more refined as time went along but they almost look like they should have the Apple logo on the back of their helmets.

Yeah I’m not sure what the point of the so called “Chrome Trooper” is.
I’ve heard that it’s basically an elite soldier that’s in charge of tracking down Finn, and SPOILERS, under the helmet is supposedly Gwendolyn Christie.
Although wouldn’t that be a kick in the nuts if she ended up being Kylo Ren?
Everyone assumes it’s a dude but might not be at all.
I don’t think she’s very busty so it wouldn’t necessarily be a big trick to make her look like a flat chested man in those robes.
Come to think of it, something about the way Ren is trudging through the snow in the first teaser reminds me a bit of how she walks sometimes when in armor on Game of Thrones….hmmm….but sane money is still on Adam Driver

But I digress.
Chrome Trooper.
I hadn’t thought of it as a new Boba Fett type character, but I can kinda see that.
Still not sure why it’s necessary, but again, I’m sure it will make sense in the story.

So we’ve mentioned Luke.
We mentioned Leia.
Are we ready to talk about the big reveal at the end where we actually get to see one (two?) of the old dogs’ faces?

ThatScoobyDoom: Hahaha, new from Apple, ITroopers!

So it’s supposed to be like an old Clone Commando type from the old EU.
I have no clue who Christie is and I’ve never seen GoT.
I’ve never considered it could be a chick under the Ren mask, the movements seem masculine, threatening, not that women can’t be threatening, but chicks tend to be more graceful in their movements.

That shot with the cape swinging, massive gun, in slomo, looks like it’s trying to be an entrance for a new major pimp character.
My mind jumped to Fett immediately.

That was where I was heading!
Too me, that might well be the most revealing parts of the whole trailer.
“Chewie…we’re home” Han and Chewie have lost the Falcon sometime in the last 30 years!
What do you think about that?


@Fitzman73: Yeah kind of a Commando.
I’m not sure if it’s one of a kind or part of a larger group.
Oh if you saw her you wouldn’t forget.
She’s a 6’3 model/actress and she can definitely play tough badass.
They try their best early on to make her very brutish and manly and it works even though you see her out of character and it’s like that can’t be the same person can it?

Actually, I was trying to figure out what he meant by the “we’re home” line, because I knew that supposedly Han and Chewie were not going to have the Falcon in the movie but what I had heard as speculation was that it had been handed down to his kid.
But if that part isn’t true and they haven’t seen her in decades then that line makes total sense.

I like that they didn’t go the cliche route and give Chewie any gray hair.
People who know their shit would know that 30 years is nothing to a Wookiee, I think Chewie was still only a young adult in A New Hope and he was already 200 years old.
So 30 years ain’t shit.
But I could see them doing gray hair just emphasize “hey time has passed right audience???”.
Glad JJ was smart about it.

ThatScoobyDoom: So she’s basically the new Lucy Lawless?

That’s how it plays to me, they’ve been away from that boat for quite some time.

I have to disagree with you, slightly.
I think had they gone overboard and gave him a mane of Gray it would look ridiculous, but just a little streak under his bottom lip or between his eyes would show that time has past.
Just a little 2 inch tuft of gray hair, that’s it.
I’m 24 now, even I have a couple of grays.
So if Chewie looks the same after 50 years (remember, he was with Yoda during the battle of Kashyyk) it seems strange.
Just something to make him look slightly different, just a tich older, to show a passage of time, makes alot of sense to me.

So, how much did this trailer up your excitement?
We see new TIEs, more Falcon, a few downed ships, X-Wings again, the old guard, and motherfuckin’ R2 D2!!!

@Fitzman73: I’ve heard that they did supposedly add some lighter, not fully gray, hair to the suit to show a little bit of aging, but I sure couldn’t tell just from that clip.
Definitely some gray highlights would’ve been ok with me, I would just oppose going overboard and having him look like grandpa Chewie from the Holiday Special.

This trailer sent my excitement through the fucking roof.
Chalk it up to being unspoiled and unprepared for this one as opposed to the first or say it’s because the OT characters were in it finally, either way I could not have been more jacked after watching this thing.

ThatScoobyDoom: From that clip or the Force For Change clip, I really can’t tell any difference.
From the OT to III to now, I can’t tell a difference.
Even with the old continuity saying Wookiees live for hundreds of years, that long of a time should show some change.

For the most part, I’d put it on the OT characters showing up.
Which is what got me pumped too.

So moving along, we have a title, release date, and some story details for the first spin-off/stand-alone/anthology film.
Rogue One is indeed about the stealing of the Death Star plans, what do make of all of that?

@Fitzman73: So far I’m not sure what to make of it.

The “Anthology” brand is a pretty smart move.
Everyone knew these would be outside of the numbered episodes, but giving them their own umbrella to be collected under is pretty cool.

I’ve said several times where I think the story of the Death Star plans being stolen should be told, but alas, Disney is apparently ignoring my brilliance.

It’s not necessarily a story that I feel needs to be told, so having it be the series finale of an episodic tv show like Rebels whose entire concept is tailor made so that it can pay off in a grand event like that makes total sense to me as opposed to a 2 hour movie with characters we’re presumably going to meet for the first time.

I have faith that the film will be enjoyable and well made, I just feel like that particular story would be better served on Rebels.

ThatScoobyDoom: Anthology makes me think there will be multiple stories per film, which I don’t think is what they intend to imply.
This is semantics, of course, but Spin-Off worked better for me.
They are spinning out of ideas from the Saga films.

Rebels does make sense, you’ve been beating that drum since it premiered and I agree with you.
And who knows, maybe Rebels will feature the characters that’ll be in the film stealing the plans.
Maybe that’s where we’ll get the introduction, then that’ll be the first time we see a character cross from small to big screen.

Do you find it weird at all that, even though it’s a vast Galaxy with many characters and stories to tell, they keep focusing on that period right before A New Hope?
The novels are covering it well, Rebels is doing that for a half hour weekly, now Rogue One is filling that “void” too.

They say it’s gonna be a ground level war movie, what do you make of that?wn

@Fitzman73: How is it going to be a ground level war movie about stealing the Death Star plans?
That does not compute at all.
Is it going to be The Dirty Dozen or Guns of the Navarrone situation or what?
I assumed it was going to be more Mission Impossible.

You’re right, there’s nothing so far to say that the main characters of the movie might include live action Rebels characters.

I don’t necessarily find it odd to be focusing on the just prior to episode 4 time period, until Ep 7 comes out that’s really the only OT time period they can do much with (in addition to in between OT films that is) and not possibly run into episode 7 spoiler territory.
If you start looking at post RotJ then you’re going to have to at some point explain why the Empire is still around, what happened to the heroes after Endor, etc.
Which I imagine they’d rather not reveal until episode 7 drops.
In fact I think they already have a post RotJ novel set to come out but not until much closer to ep7’s release I belive if not after.
They’re not even dropping the ep 7 novelization until after the film is released.

ThatScoobyDoom: Well look, they had the plans as far back as Episode II, 5 years between II and III.
How many places did they have those plans?
Maybe they’re in the war and the newly forming rebellion stumbles across an old Separatist base with a copy of the plans, one of the Separatist leaders had a back up that they didn’t retrieve before heading to Mustafar.

At this point, I think they really want to do that.
I just have a feeling that this story group is pushing for a Toon character to turn Live.
I think they may have teased or hinted at it.

Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t me asking “why not the PT era” again, I understand they aren’t interested in that.
This is me saying “so much just before and just after at the same time, comics, novels, TV Shows. What about after Empire?” Seems like that year or so after Empire might have some interesting Luke, Leia, and Chewie stories as they accept this dude that just fucked them over, got Han frozen, and carted off by Fett.
It just seems like overkill (Zuuuuuuuune) to keep ringing that bell, like by covering it so much at the same time their gonna make it easier to have continuity troubles.

Yeah, Aftermath, set just after Jedi. Sounds like it’ll be good.

@Fitzman73: Between Empire and Jedi?
They did that.
Once. Lol.
Shadows of the Empire.
Not a bad story, but given the MASSIVE marketing and tie in effort that they had for it, it’s a bit underwhelming.
I can’t imagine it hold up real great 15 years later.

Keep in mind though, I think it was a year tops between Empire and Jedi so not a lot of time to play with there.
2 or 3 years between New Hope and Empire though.
So maybe we’ll see more stuff after that, like the new Marvel series.
That picks up right after Yavin.

ThatScoobyDoom: But again, nothing there now.
Fill all the gaps, spread the stories around, I know they will eventually!
But shit, only filling like 2 gaps now.
Like I’ve said a few times in the past, with the EU purge the timeline desperately needs depth and to keep banging the same drums seems like reactionary fanservice to me.
I believe I’ve said this a few times too, this isn’t me speaking as a jilted PT era fan, it’s more of a Pre-PT fan thing.
It’s clear from Menace that this Galaxy has history, show it!
Give us some goddamn Qui-Gon, we know we have plenty of Han, Luke, Leia, and Chewie stories coming.
Maybe after TFA we’ll get that.

Now the next thing I wanna ask you about, which we can end on if you want, is about the tech and what not.
Ignore all the previous EU stories, the histories, the characters, trash ’em all.
And also, let’s just say Jakku for the sake of arguement is indeed a new planet, how do you feel about them resolving old problems of the EU?
Meaning creating new species, new vehicles, new weapons, new planets, when the EU had all these things laid out.
Do you think it’s a wise choice to spend time thinking of a new desert planet when there are 2 or 3 already that they could repurpose or just revisit and show us a new side of?

@Fitzman73: I don’t know, I still think that even though the old EU has been relegated to Legends status that they are and will be mining certain elements of it.
Even if there aren’t direct adaptations or obvious inclusions, there have been and will continue to be at the very least subtle nods and designs inspired by the EU.

I mean we already talked about the look of Kylo Ren, it couldn’t be more EU inspired.
It’s straight out of the old KOTOR games.

I think at the end of the day these movies are being made by artists.
Artists create shit.
For better or for worse they’re not really interested in telling other people’s stories.
Hell, forget the EU, George Lucas is on record saying JJ shitcanned his episode 7,8,9 story treatments and went in a completely different direction and he CREATED THE WHOLE FUCKING THING!
So if they’re not even interested in using the Maker himself’s stories then there’s no way they’re interested in looking to the EU for material.

ThatScoobyDoom: That is the best possible answer you could have given, and I understand it.
But at the same time it’s like, these motherfuckers were under the gun from the jump!
Hell, this time last year we found out there was a writer shake-up for godsake!
With that much turmoil, it seems ill advised to start from zero and try and make up shit from scratch that fits into what everybody has in mind as being Star Wars when you can just repurpose old shit.
It’s a way that they could have their cake and eat it too.
“Look, here’s all this old shtuff that you guys know and love.
Now it’s not exactly how you remember it, but we made it fit and we hope you’ll give it a chance” type of thing.
Shit, even George did exactly that, look at the name Coruscant.

And ignoring George’s vision is something that still rubs me the wrong way.
I’m not an apologist, because that would imply sorrow or regret, I have neither.
I know I’ve said this alot in our conversations, but I’m gonna say it again goddamn it.
That dude gets far too much disrespect and it’s fuckin’ sad and pathetic.

@Fitzman73: Yeah when I heard him say he has no idea what the the new movies are about because they dropped his story treatments entirely I was like whoah that’s fucked up.
And that writer shakeup was all part of that.
The original guy Michael Arndt was George’s boy, he basically pushed for him and got him.
So what I’ve heard is that JJ Abrams never liked him, wanted his own writer and so basically booted him and I guess whatever script he’d been working on and brought on his own guy to bring HIS vision to life.

All I know is that it better be fucking awesome after all this intrigue.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, which brings me back to the topic I brought up, seems unwise, at least on Ep VII, to waste time starting from scratch when the EU has a wealth of this shit set up and waiting to be repurposed.
And I realize I’ve overused repurposed, but I feel it’s logical to think they would repurpose it to fill the current need.
I’ve accepted that the EU stories aren’t canon, but to clean the slate of all the extra shit that was created just to puff out your chest and say you created it seems like not the bed idea when under a time crunch.
Hope I’m explaining my thoughts on this well enough.

I can see adapting his ideas, but shelving them feels wrong.
He knows this shit better than anybody, to ignore that is really strange.

I have faith, just look at Rebels.

@Fitzman73: Right.
And other than it being helmed by Dave Filoni it really has no input from George, yet it feels like it does.
In my opinion Filoni is the closest thing we have now to GL in terms of understanding how all these pieces fit together, how the Star Wars universe works and why things are the way they are.
He’s the closest thing to a protege that GL ever had.
I fully expect him to one day be in charge of Lucasfilm.

ThatScoobyDoom: Agreed, and I hope for that, but I have a very real fear that, given as hard as he’s been working on the Saga for the last 10 years, he may come face to face with burnout.
As anybody in any job knows it’s hard to do the same thing for a long period and not get burnt the hell out.

I’d be interested to learn exactly when TCW shuttered and Rebels started.

@Fitzman73: I don’t think there was much time between the two.
A matter of months maybe.

ThatScoobyDoom: Given the way TCW has ended, leaving so many unfinished episodes, it might even be less time than that.


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Typecast #7: A Hero Returns

Damn, I launched on your asses, but for good reason cause this is a good one.
Back is the man without whom none of this exists, dude what we’ve had round these parts before, SpiderScooby returns…and so do other heroes!

This time we talked about The Avengers…alot!…Agent Carter, and a homecoming that nobody expected so soon.

His parts of the conversation appear with his name, SpiderScooby, in red and link to his Scooby site, ScoobyFan.net.
As usual, this conversation appears just as it was had, all spelling fuck-ups intact, just to maintain the honesty of it all.

Take it away me!

ThatScoobyDoom: Last time there was 1 movie we left out, The Avengers.
For me, and I know this is going out on a limb, this is the best film of Phase 1.

I’m gonna guess you liked it too?

SpiderScooby: How about best superhero movie ever made?


ThatScoobyDoom: Pretty much.
I don’t know about you, but for me that was the movie of a lifetime.

SpiderScooby: Yeah, despite some small issues here and there, it really deserves all the praise it gets.

ThatScoobyDoom: Issues such as…?

Just seeing those characters on screen at once was mind blowning.

SpiderScooby: Hawkeye for one.
Generic invading aliens for second.

It’s amazing they pulled it off too.
This could had easily ended up being Iron Man and His Amazing Friends.
But I think they made the right call hiring Joss Whedon, someone who knows how to work with such a big cast.

ThatScoobyDoom: I don’t think Hawkeye was bad or anything just under utilized.

Yeah, there was really no preamble there just “ah, the aliens are here cause Loki brought ’em”.

Totally, dude deftly spun dem plates.
Brought his energy, experiance, and humor to it in perfect quantities.

SpiderScooby: He wasn’t bad, but he definitely got the short end of the stick here.

Yeah, you could really throw them in any alien invasion movie and you’d get the same result.

He also gave us the best version of Hulk on screen.
I know you’re not a fan of Ruffalo, do you agree?

ThatScoobyDoom: He did, but not in a way that brings things down.
He just had no development.
You can see they tried with the Black Widow backstory but it was pretty much too little too late at that point.

That for me is the only down side, I didn’t like his Hulk or Bruce Banner at all.
For one, the way he kept saying “the other guy” just sounded stupid and childish.
Almost as bad as “red in my ledger”, both are annoying phrases that grind my gears everytime I hear them.
For two, I hated how apelike he was.
I always saw Hulk, in away, as a monster of confidence and making him kinda drag his knuckles was a switch in body language that just read as weakness to me.

Better than Bana but far worse than Norton in my book.

SpiderScooby: I feel like he was completely useless.

I disagree.
Hulk is my favorite thing out of the entire movie.
Better than Norton, even better than Bixby.
This is the defenitive version of Hulk on screen.
My favorite moment of the movie is Ruffalo’s “That’s my secret, Cap.
I’m always angry.” line.
And then he changes into The Hulk and smashes the alien ship.
I loved how Ruffalo and RDJ play off each other.
As for Hulk himself, I didn’t mind that he was ape like.
I felt they found a good balance between the savage and intelligent Hulks.
The CGI for Hulk is also top notchn
The CGI doesn’t hold up in either Hulk movie.
He looks fantastic in Avengers.


ThatScoobyDoom: He was basically there to try to force emotion in Act 3.
He could be cool I bet, they just need to try harder in Age Of Ultron.

While I did like that line and the CGI was good (I think TIH’s CG is damn good, BTW) I just do not buy Ruffles as a meek scientist.
The dichotomy of Banner and Hulk, the thing that makes it all work is that Banner is physically weak, Mark Ruffalo looks far to imposing to even attempt to pull that off.
At times he even came off slightly wooden.
I have nothing against him as an actor, but he just doesn’t fit the part.
Norton did.
Norton is a small dude and that works.
The whole relationship between him and RDJ only came off so well because RDJ did all the heavy lifting.
I mean, come on, he had 2 movies to charm us and win us over before Avengers.

SpiderScooby: I get what you’re saying, but I don’t mind him being imposing(that scene with him and Black Widow in the beginning really works for me).
I think he does the scientist thing well.
But it’s more of a nerdy kinda scientist than meek.

ThatScoobyDoom: That scene with Widow was good…but that was the first indication I had that I wasn’t going to like his Banner.

And that’s why it fails, he’s meek for a reason.
He does whatever he possibly can to avoid triggers unless he runs across an injustice ie that chick getting hassled in TIH.

SpiderScooby: Wouldn’t you say he had enough control to where he wouldn’t be set off by such triggers?

ThatScoobyDoom: Not really, he kinda lost it when Loki attacked the Helicarrier.
Remember how he was struggling to stay in control before he roared at Widow?
He even mentions it being a bad idea when he first gets on the Helicarrier.

SpiderScooby: Yeah, but there’s a big difference between pointy things and big explosion.
Remember the “I’m always angry” scene I mentioned eariler?
He clearly is able to change at will.
ThatScoobyDoom: My point is he’s in control, but now 100%.
Shit can still go down and catch him off guard and send him into a rage, as shown in the scene on the Helicarrier.

What did you think of his antagonistic relationship with THOR?

SpiderScooby: Yeah, kinda my point.
He has control until something like that comes along that causes him to lose control.
Of course I gotta think some of that was Loki contoling him.

It made for some good comedic moments(Hulk punching Thor).

ThatScoobyDoom: That it did, and the fight they had on the Helicarrier was great.
I especially liked Hulk attempting to lift the hammer and (obviously) failing.

Who was the stand out character in Avengers for you?

SpiderScooby: I think my favorite moment was Hulk punching Thor.

You mean other than Hulk(because he was truely the stand out character to me)?
I love how the movie follows the POV of Captain America.
It really feels like a sequel to The First Avenger.

ThatScoobyDoom: It was a great moment, and that whole shot leading up to it was awesome too.

Cap did use the spotlight well, it felt like a third Iron Man 3, a third Cap 2, and a third for everybody else.

Was it just me or did Tony end up with alot more screen time than they lead us to believe he would get?

SpiderScooby: Out of all the characters, Iron Man is the most popular, so no surprise there.
Which is funny, because it doesn’t feel like Iron Man 3 to me.
That was one of my worries going in.
That this would be Iron Man & Friends.
Thankfully it doesn’t come off like that despite all his screen time.

ThatScoobyDoom: Well, at times it felt like they were a bit afraid to get away from him for too long just because he is so popular.
I would’ve liked more THOR, a character I’ve really grown to like the more I think about it.

SpiderScooby: I think they found a good balance between most of the characters.
I, too, really liked Thor.
Especially his relationship to Coulson.

ThatScoobyDoom: I do too.
I don’t mean to sound like I’m saying they didn’t, I think it just felt like they were relying on Cap and Tony just incase it didn’t work…or maybe to ensure it did work.
But with Joss Whedon at the helm, shouldn’t have been a fear.

I wanna get to Coulson in just a minute, but I’m drawing a blank.
Did he and Thor have much interaction?

SpiderScooby: They have a few moments together, yeah.
Right before Loki reveals his plans.

ThatScoobyDoom I really don’t remember that.

Were there any characters from the previous films that you wish they would’ve used?
For me, I wanted to see Rhodey. I know they did a prequel comic that explained why Rhodey wasn’t there, but they didn’t even really reference him.
Plus, with all that shit going down, you’d think it’d be all hands on deck.

SpiderScooby: Rhodey would’ve been nice, but he is in Age of Ultron so there’s that.

ThatScoobyDoom: Indeed.

Was there anybody that was missing for you?

SpiderScooby: Rhodey was the big one.
The movie is crowded enough already, I don’t know if we needed anymore characters.
Even Pepper disappears for most of the movie.

ThatScoobyDoom: Well, at least a mention.
Rhodey didn’t get a mention (that I can recall at least), Betty didn’t get a mention, at least Jane did.

So, Coulson, what did you think of his overall arc through the movie?

SpiderScooby: I really liked Coulson in the movie and his interactions with the team{him being a Captain America fanboy was great}.
I do feel like Agents of Shield has cheapened his death a little bit, but I’m willing to forgive that.

ThatScoobyDoom: Yeah, him not really being fazed by Thor but getting kinda giddy about Cap (that creepy line about being there when he woke up comes to mind) was good.

I don’t feel it cheapened it really, I see it as correcting a mistake.
Whedon likes to fuck with his fans and their favorite characters (RIP Wash, RIP Shepard Book) so it didn’t bother me.
Plus, it’s been a good ride seeing how he came back.

Were you shocked by his death?

SpiderScooby: Like I said, it doesn’t really bother me, but I would’ve liked it if he stayed dead.
I do wonder if he’s ever gonna interact with the team again.
Because up to this point, they don’t know he’s still alive.

The first time, yes. I was really trying to avoid spoilers with that movie.
So it was a complete surprise.

ThatScoobyDoom: I was gonna ask you that, a few things about that.
1. Even though S.H.I.E.L.D. is underground at the moment, don’t you think he would or should contact his best asset?
Which might be the Age Of Ultron tie-in, who knows?
2. How pissed do you think Tony will be?
I’m sure Fury will have tried keeping an eye on the team, you can’t just drop all that on a dime.

Agreed, I didn’t see the movie until almost a year later and it was still a shock to see.
What’d you think of Fury manipulating the team with the cards?

SpiderScooby: I think because of the whole Hydra thing, he wants to stay as underground as possible.
Contecting one of the Avengers could possibly jeopardize their cover.
2. I’m sure Cap will have a few words to say, lol.

It was a good motivator.
As Fury said, they need the push.

ThatScoobyDoom: I totally understand that, but when the threat is big enough he will hafta pull out the big guns.
He literally did it with Loki.

You think Cap will be the one to watch in the reunion?
Tony actually knew the dude.


I guess he had to stoop that low, but seems kinda dirty.
I’m with Hill on that.

SpiderScooby: That was before he was presumed dead.

I think they both will give Fury the beatdwon.

ThatScoobyDoom: Okay, we can come back to this in a minute.

The big news broke a day or 2 ago.
A certain Amazingly Friendly Neighborhood Wallcrawler is headed to the MCU!

SpiderScooby: I am off the wall excited.
Spider-man in the MCU is someting I’ve wanted for a long time but didn’t think it would ever happen.
There are a couple things about the deal that give me pause{Sony having final creative control}, but I’m super excited.

ThatScoobyDoom: I’m 100% with you brother.

I saw the Tweet from Marvel the second it went up and clicked the link to Marvel.com and the site was down.
The wording was kinda funky to in the tweet so I was trying to not get my hopes up but as soon as the site loaded…I had goosebumps like I did watching the Episode VII trailer.
Just complete and total excitement!

What are you most pumped to see from it?

SpiderScooby: I almost didn’t see it.
I was about to go to bed, but I figured ” Oh, I’ll check ComingSoon.Net real quick and..Spidey joining the MCU…wait, what?”.

Having him in Cival War.
Now I don’t think he’ll have as big of role as he did in the comics.
But it’s nice to see they’ll be able to tell that story with him in it.

ThatScoobyDoom: It was almost 20 minutes before they got it, I was surprised it took so long.

That is up there for me too!
With him being involved it that I hope we see my favorite Spidey suit (besides the classic), I would need a change of undies if they use the Iron Spidey suit!

Are you worried like everybody else seems to be that we’ll get his origin again?

SpiderScooby: I think I saw it a couple hours after it was posted.

No, I don’t think they’re gonna do the origin again.
I think the ideal route would do it in the opening credits like TIH.

ThatScoobyDoom: Exactly, folks seem to forget how smart Marvel is.
Hell, didn’t they say Doctor Strange was going to be established?
If any character needs a damn origin movie surely it’s Doctor Strange, no???

What do you think of the Miles Vs Peter argument that’s begun already?

SpiderScooby: They mention Doctor Strange by name in Winter Solider so clearly he’s on Shield’s radar.

It’s not gonna be Miles.
They specfically mention Peter in the press release.
I have zero problems with Miles Morales.
But I think they should hold off on him for now.
This is Marvel’s flagship character coming into one of the biggest movie franchises of all time, it needs to be the main Spider-man.
Introduce Peter.
Then in Phase 4, you can introduce Miles if you want.

ThatScoobyDoom: Of course, but I mean from the filmmaking standpoint, you ask a random fan of the MCU with no comic knowledge about Doc Strange and they’ll have no clue about him.

We’ve had this conversation privately almost as many times as we’ve discussed Nolan’s Bat movies (I say shitty, you say good) but lets have it here for these good folks.
I agree, but not about Miles in phase 4.
To me, Spider-Man is Peter Parker, Peter Parker is Spider-Man.
Full stop!
Miles, Miguel, All these other none Pete Spider-Men in Spider-Verse, not a single one is Spider-Man.
So to use anybody but Pete is not doing Spider-Man.
What do you say about that?

SpiderScooby: This is true.
I think the bigger question is what happens to Black Panther in Cival War.
Because he was supposed to have a big role in that.
Will audainces care as much if Spidey’s in there?

Frankly while I prefer Peter Parker, I don’t care who is Spider-man.
If you have a well written and engaging character, I could care less who is wearing the mask.
I have not read any issues with Miles Morales, but he is a very well regarded character from what I have seen.
I see that as no different as Wally West replacing Barry Allien or vice versa.
As for Spidey 2099, I see him more like Batman Beyond than anything else.

ThatScoobyDoom: I think he’ll still get some shine, because if he was supposed to have a big role it was to expand the MCU to a new country/culture/hero.
Doubtful that they’ll pass up that chance just because they get to add in a hero that everybody knows.

The go to, especially these days, is that I don’t like Miles as Spidey because he’s black/hispanic.
But the fact of the matter is Dick Grayson isn’t Batman, Bucky Barnes and The Falcon aren’t Captian America, (this one has a better reason than “I don’t like it”) Beta Ray Bill and this New Chick aren’t THOR, some characters are just too iconic to screw with.
It would be like making Scooby a *note* the rest of my message was chopped off and I can’t remember what it was. *end note*

SpiderScooby: Yeah, but it sounded like he was gonna fulfill the role that Spider-man played in the comics.

Lady Thor and Falcon Cap are gimmicks though that probably won’t have any lasting impact.
Miles doesn’t feel like that{maybe at first, but not anymore}.

ThatScoobyDoom: By unmasking?
That seems rather stupid given nobody knows who he is.

I don’t know if Lady THOR is a gimmick, she’ll be around for quite sometime I think.
Falcon will probably drop the Shield though.
Even from the beginning I don’t think I would have called Miles a gimmick.
Maybe calling him Spider-Man is a gimmick, but just as a character, no.
I think he should’ve been given another name, Spider-Boy, Spider-Lad, Tarantula (I don’t think that name is taken in the Ulti-verse), or anything Spider-themed would be fine by me.

SpiderScooby: Not necessarily having him unmasked, but having him there as a big presence.

All deoends on what happens after this Secret Wars thing.
I don’t mind him being called Spider-man.
If Ultimate Peter was still Spider-man, I might agree.
But right now, he is Spider-man in that universe.
No need to call him something else.

One solution I mentioned over on my blog is to do a Miles Morales tv series.
Keep Peter Parker on the big screen and Miles Morales on the small screen.
This way, you can have the best of both worlds without having to pick either one.

ThatScoobyDoom: Gotcha, I’m sure he’ll still get some spotlight before his solo movie comes out.

Well, it seems pretty much like Miles is in the 616.
But after Secret Wars, which is supposed to collapse everything together, then what?
You can’t have 2 Spider-Man’s swinging around.
Peter or Miles, one of them has to give up the title.
Miles is gonna have to drop it.

Eeeeeeee, I don’t know if I like that idea either.
Plus, an idiot studio exec would say that that would cheapen the name value by having him on TV and Film.
But even if you go with that, how do you solve the name issue?
They’re trying to make everything one single story, so it can’t be an alt-universe show.
And besides, it kinda pisses me off that we’ve never gotten a good Spider-Man live-action series.
He’s a character that would really fit it.

I was wondering, do you think they’ll tease Spidey in an after credits scene on Age Of Ultron?

SpiderScooby: I hope so.
I would hate for him to be pushed to the side just for Spider-man.

But you already have two Spider-men running around{not counting Spider-Verse here}: Amazing and 2099.
So it’s not impossible to have two different Spider-men in the same universe.
Sure, they should probably call him someting else if they bring him into the 616 universe, but I don’t care either way.

I don’t know.
I feel like Marvel is much more lenient about using their characters on TV.
It doesn’t need to be an alternate universe show.
It would be best to wait till Phase 4 to do something like this.
But it can work while having Parker exist in the same universe.
As for the name, they can just call it “Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-man” or something like that.

That’s what I’m hoping.
If you’re gonna do a Spidey after credits scene, Ultron makes the most sense.
I can imagine a post-credit scene like this: Tony is talking to someone off screen.
We pull back and we see the Spider symbol.
Fade to black.

ThatScoobyDoom: Is 2099 actually in the present day 616?
Because that falls under the same catagory of stupid as having Miles in the 616 and calling him Spidey in my eyes.

When I say the name issue, I mean calling him Spider-Man period.
Again, a stupid studio exec would say something like “it will create confusion in the marketplace” you’ve gotta remember man, we went through this same shit with Smallville.
They said that Batman being on would create confusion in the marketplace.
They tried saying that same shit around the time that Superman Returns came out.
Then you’ll have the folks who havr never read a comic book in their lives and only watch the Movies and TV shows (who, lets be honest, they make all of this shit for because it’s a bigger audience than comic book readers) wonder who the hell Miles Morales is because they’ve watched 5 Spider-Man movies and never heard the name.
That’s one of those things that makes me wonder if recasting any of the major MCU roles would work, folks have gotten used to all of these people in these roles if suddenly you change actors they may think “hey, Chris Hemsworth is THOR who the hell is this guy?” it’s slightly different but it’s the same thing in principal.

That would work, puts Spidey in the MCU and gives the change to cast him without a rush too.

SpiderScooby: It’s not stupid at all, because it’s not like 2099 is getting in the way of Amazing
{and 2099 is a better book than ASM right now}.

If this was DC we’re talking about, I would agree.
But I would hope Marvel would realize that the general audiance is not that stupid.
See, introducing him on TV would be a way of introducing him to that wider audiance.
Have him on TV first, then bring him into a movie later.

As for recasting, just look how many times they have recast James Bond.

ThatScoobyDoom: We’ll just have to come to the conclusion that I’m stubborn and bullheaded on that front.
As for 2099 being the better book, as much as I hate 2099, I don’t doubt that.

Never EVER doubt the stupidity of a Studio or TV exec, I don’t care which studio or what the track record is.
Remember, and this was admittedly pre-Disney, they had problems with Norton because he (alledgedly) wanted to have a few more character/story moments than just all
in HULK and any of the potential sequels.

That has been a big part of Bond though, and just because it’s worked for Bond doesn’t mean it’s great for every franchise.
I don’t want an Indiana Jones recasting just because Bond did it.
Ford wants to do another movie so let the old bastard do another movie and get off his fuckin’ lawn!

SpiderScooby: I like 2099 as a concept so admittidly I’m biased.

Yeah, but a lot of the problems directors/actors have had with Marvel is that they try to mandate certain things to keep to their vision if that makes sense.

We haven’t really seen someting like that outside of Bond though.
There has nver really been a recasting in a big franchise and have it still be in the same continuity.
The one exception being Brandon Routh in Superman Returns, and he was the best thing about that movie.

ThatScoobyDoom: I like Peter David but, with the exception of the afore mentioned Batman Beyond, I’m not into the whole techno future bullshit thing.

They gave Norton alot of control on the first HULK, if memory serves.

What about Batman?
With the same Alfred and same basic Batmobile, wasn’t that the same continuity?
Routh was great and got landed with a fucked up script.

SpiderScooby: Batman Beyond is definitely better, I’ll say that.

He did, but in the end he didn’t have the creative control he wanted which is why he left.
I know a lot of stuff got cut.
Wasn’t there a cut of the movie that was like 3 hours long or something?

Yeah, but we’re not gonna count those two if you get my meaning. “wink”

ThatScoobyDoom: Beyond is definetly better!

I’m not sure…but I’d like to see that if true.
See, I understand Marvel has a vision for where their Universe is headed, but to stifle these great creative minds is a misstep in my eyes.
That’s why Edgar Wright left Ant-Man…which reminds me…hey internet.
You guys know that Ant-Man can work without Edgar, right?
I love Shaun Of The Dead, but the dude isn’t the end all be all of film makers.
Give the fuckin’ movie a chance!

*throws hands up* And why the hell aren’t we.
*mumbled* Your no fun!

Now lets get back to Avengers, we covered Coulson, who do you want to talk about now?

SpiderScooby: Oh, I agree.
While the Ant-man trailer did absolutely nothing for me, I’m still going to give it the benifit of the doubt.
And let’s not forget people were poo-pooing Gurardians of the Galaxy, and it was the biiggest movie of last year.

What can I say?
I don’t consider bat-ass to be canon.

I can’t remember if I mentioned this or not, but I wish the aliens weren’t so generic.
I mean, I can go with it because that last half is just so epic.
But the villians just so forgettable.

ThatScoobyDoom: It wasn’t a great trailer by any stretch of the imagination but it peaked my interest.
Very true, folks said a talking Tree and Raccoon in space would never work, so why can’t a tiny hero?

Define canon?
It’s pretty clearly the same continuity as the Keaton Bat flicks, those movies just got progressively weirder.

I don’t think you did, but I 100% agree.
Those aliens were just canon fodder.
The whole entire focus was on Loki and his taking control to become King of the world, they were basicly an after thought.

SpiderScooby: And it was only a teaser.
So future trailers could change my mind.

I know this isn’t a Batman typecast but it’s like they said “Batman Returns was too dark so let’s make them more like the old tv show”.
I enjoy Batman Forever but B&R just took things too far.

If Loki wasn’t there, this movie would be a whole lot weaker.

ThatScoobyDoom: Totally, like the Star Wars teaser.
Folks were bitching because it only had quick flashes of shit…I’m like “are you retarded? Do you not understand what TEASER means???” folks just like to bitch, can’t stop it, brother.

I think that’s exactly what happened, because there was a GROSS overreaction from Returns to Forever.
As for this being a Bat Typecast, did you not read the 2nd Typecast?
That was supposed to be about Star Wars and we went off on a tangent about Metallica. Lol

Without question it would be weaker, folks grew to love Loki so they kinda put all of their time and energy into making him the star.
They always say a hero is only as good as his villain, and this proves it.
By focusing on him it made you believe that this motley crew might not win…you knew they would!
But there was a sliver of doubt.

SpiderScooby: I like a trailer that doesn’t give the whole movie away.
I thought the Ep7 teaser was just fine.

In that case, can I just say that Forever is highly underrated?
It’s a entertaining movie, even if the performaces were over the top.

It helps when you’ve cast such a charming guy.
I just hope they don’t end up overusing him in future movies.

ThatScoobyDoom: Me too, like A Million Ways To Die In The West, Christopher Lloyd being in it as Doc Brown was supposed to be a surprise, but the trailers ruined it.
Seth posted something snarky about it on twitter too.
I hate that.

I used to like it, but I’ve kind of grown to hate it.
I like the first on that Burton did, but after that they just completely went off the rails.

Was he a main focus of THOR 2?

SpiderScooby: Kinda like the Amazing Spider-man 2 trailers that spoiled the ending, And I don’t just mean the death of Gwen.


I’ve never been a huge fan of Burton’s movies anyway, so I never minded it.

He had a pretty big role.
And going off the events of that movie, he’ll have one in Thor 3 as well.

ThatScoobyDoom: Which was…?

I like the first one, still the second best Bat movie IMO.

And what happened that makes you say that?
Just so folks know, that last MCU movie I saw was Iron Man 3 and I only saw it once in the theater.
So phase 2 is all new and unseen to me.

SpiderScooby: That shot of Spidey and Rhino coming at each other, about to fight?
That’s the final shot of the movie.

I’ll take Batman Begins, B:TAS, and Batman 66 any day of the week.

So Loki fakes his own death and is posing as Odin at the end of the movie.

ThatScoobyDoom: Not really a big spoiler though, is it?

I’ll take Begins and B:TAS, you can burn 66.

I think you told me that.
My question is what the ham and eggs happens to Odin?

Have we covered Avengers, or was there more you had to say about it?


SpiderScooby: No, but it’s still pretty lame if you spoil the end of your movie.

Them fightin’ words, man!
Them fightin’ words!

Ah, but we don’t know.
We gotta wait till Ragnarok to find out.

Where to next?
Tony Stark 3 Iron Man 3?

ThatScoobyDoom: I guess.

Bring it on.
*grabs pom poms*

Well shit, was there any indication as to what happened to Odin?
Any point in the movie where you could conceive of Odin getting replaced?

Uuuuuuuh my memory of that is so fuzzy, if you don’t mind, I’d rather go to Agent Carter.
The Season finale is this coming Tuesday after all.
*note* And I missed the fuckin’ thing too! GGGGRRRRRRRRR!!! *end note*


SpiderScooby: Only the one scene of Loki disguised as a guard walking up to Loki.

Okay, sure.
Agent Carter.
Fun show.
It’s nice revisiting that Captain America time period again.

ThatScoobyDoom: It’s nice to see Peggy getting the spotlight too, she was definetly one of my favorite First Avengers characters.
Now you know where this is going since we’ve had this conversation privately, but uh…did YOU happen to have any problems with the first few episodes?

SpiderScooby: You mean the whole men being sexist thing?
Didn’t bother me so much, but I do see where you’re coming from.

ThatScoobyDoom: This may be long, apologies all around.

It normally wouldn’t bother me either, but it’s so one sided, and how woman are forced to be portrayed these days is totally unfair to themselves and to reality in general.

If you portray woman today as a flatout villain you see articles and assholes pop out of the wood work acting as if no woman ever has treated anybody like shit.
If a man can be a villain so can a woman.
So to have the double standard of woman can only be portrayed as smart, wonderful, well thought out characters but men can be portrayed how every is bullshit.

I know for a fact that woman were treated like shit back then, it’s well documented that they, like children, were supposed to be seen and not heard, but this penultimate episode had a beat that drives my point home.




Okay, they spent the first few episodes having every man but the crippled dude, Howard, and Jarvis do everything but pat her on her ass and ask for a fuggin’ sangwidge.
Her boss was a piece of shit…but the penultimate episode has him throw himself out a window just to save everybody.
Now I don’t know about you, but after how he acted my very first reaction was “good, he was a piece of shit anyway.” and they were trying to give him a heroes send off.
Didn’t work.
Fuck that guy.

I hate that the PC Pussification of the 21st century has lead me to think like this about shit.
That people can’t just sit down and what a fake fuckin’ TV show or a movie, shut up, and enjoy it.

It’s as stupid as Marvel breaking up Spider-Man and MJ’s marriage because it was unrelatable.
I don’t watch and read superheroes to relate, I engage in it because I want to see some cool shit happen.
Not be preached to about some political stance.

End rant.

SpiderScooby: Well…I certainly haven’t been taking it that hard, lol.
I haven’t seen the most recent episode, so I can’t comment on that.
But whatshisface had a pretty nice redeeming moment a couple episodes back.

It does get grating after awhile though.

ThatScoobyDoom: Like I said, I notice this shit now because you always have these assholes whining about this shit from the other side.

Like, you hear these dumb assholes saying only women should write female characters.
If that’s the case then only men should write men characters.
And if I’m not mistaken a woman wrote Guardians Of The Galaxy…a movie about a mostly male cast. Hmm, if we’re going to play by those rules we need to burn every copy of Guardians (a movie I haven’t seen and desperately want to) because a woman wrote it.
It’s a completely fucking ludicrous notion perpetrated by attention seeking morons with far to much free time to think up and spew this brainless nonsense.

Which whatshisface?
We’re like J.K. Simmons in Extract at this point. “Tell Dinkus I want to talk to him.” Lol

SpiderScooby: I tend to ignore people like that.

“Ms. Brant, get me a violin.”

ThatScoobyDoom: You can’t miss it on twitter, man.

Wrong movie!!!

Despite how it sounds, I love this show.
I love Hayley Atwell, I love Peggy Carter, I love Hayley Atwell as Peggy Carter.
One thing that legit bugs me is I wish they would have cast this dude as Jarvis for Iron Man.
I think it would have been a great piece of symmetry and a nice nod from Tony to this man, that I’m sure will end up being a big part of his life, to use his voice for his digi-Butler.

SpiderScooby: That’s why I block them!

Sorry, can’t help quoting J. Jonah.

As the voice of Jarvis you mean?

ThatScoobyDoom: I get tired of blocking everybody, best to take a break. Lol

Yeah, and that’s not me slamming Paul Bettany.
He does a great job as Jarvis, I just think it would have been a cool way to tie it all together.

What did you think about Howard Stark’s arc?

SpiderScooby: That’s one of my problems with the show.
Because the SSR should’ve stopped looking into Stark by the end of the series.

ThatScoobyDoom: Did you watch this weeks episode yet?
I don’t want to spoil it any more than I already did for you.

SpiderScooby: Oh no, I haven’t gotten the chance to yet.

ThatScoobyDoom: Say no more.

Just really quick, you’ve seen the Agent Carter One-Shot, how does this series compare to it?

SpiderScooby: They actually used shots from the one-shot in the pilot.
But techincally, it suppose to take place after the series.

ThatScoobyDoom: Really?
I know nothing of that short, can you give me a break down of it?

Given what you’ve seen of the series, would you want to see it come back next year?
Because I sure would.

SpiderScooby: She overhears the men talking about a mission, and she decides to take on said mission herself.
She kicks some ass.
That’s about the extent of it.

Or if they want to do something entirely different, I’d be okay with that too.

ThatScoobyDoom: And it’s set after this?
After she kind of spends 8 episodes trying to prove that she can handle a mission?

I’d dig it just because I like the character.
I’d love to see her running around in the early days of the Marvel U kicking off shit that pays (or will eventually) of in the movies or on Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Is there anything else you want to say about this or anything else we talked about, man?

SpiderScooby: Yeah, I believe that’s what they said in interviews.
But if you really wanted, you could probably just ignore the One-Shot.

How would you like it if they picked it up for a full season?

No, but can’t wait to talk some Phase 2/Agents of SHIELD with you{even though you haven’t seen most of the films}.
We got Age of Ultron coming out and that’s gonna be amazing.

ThatScoobyDoom: Well, based on what you’ve told me, it seems they may have some slight continuity problems.

Hmm, that’s a tough question to answer.
I’d obviously love that because I have a mega crush on Atwell and I do like that character…but keeping it down to so few episodes makes it easier to concentrate and make the episodes better, ensuring a higher quality.
So if they do pick it up for another season my hope is that they don’t go 16-24 eps, but instead for 10-13.

How about the next time we talk MCU, we go indepth and you walk me through Phase 2, we talk Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D., and we cover the One-Shots, sound good?

SpiderScooby: 13 episodes would be ideal.
How would you feel if each season took place decade by decade?

ThatScoobyDoom: That’s a cool idea, would really lead to more universe building than just sticking to the 40’s, but I think jumping ahead so much could well be a little jarring.
Maybe if they jumped say 5 years each season it would be better.
Because think about it, in the last 20 years we’ve had amazing developments to contend with that are hard to keep up with, imagine how it was back then for them to deal with huge leaps forward.

SpiderScooby: I don’t know, it worked for X-men: Days of Future Past.
But yeah, five years would probably be better.

ThatScoobyDoom: Which I haven’t seen…

But look, we already know that Howard tried introducing a flying car, and after season 1 of AoS, and succeeded, imagine all of the other techno stuff that could have happened!

SpiderScooby: Oh yeah, that reminds me.
I guess you could say the One-Shot takes place after the series because Howard calls Peggy about forming SHIELD.

ThatScoobyDoom: Why do you think it took so long for them to call it SHIELD?
Cause remember Coulson said in Iron Man “we’re working on the name”.

SpiderScooby: Good question.
I think if Marvel could change one thing, they would change that.
Cause at the time of Iron Man, it wasn’t certain if the MCU was gonna work.

ThatScoobyDoom: You’re probably right, the phone call may have been an attempt to retcon.

Listen man, thanks for coming back to do another one of these.
Was alot of fun, sir.

SpiderScooby: Can’t wait till next time.


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